Miele is a very, very good brand - their DWs are probably the best there is as are their ovens. Personally, I wouldn't bother with one of the built-in espresso makers - they're way over priced for what they are. Check out the other recent thread on this forum for suggestions - for $2k you can get a top of the line superautomatic counter top machine.

thanks weissman. i did check out espresso thread and have been diligently pouring of recommended sights for info.
"meile is a very, very good brand" may i ask what makes them so good?

Miele has an excellent reputation for making high quality appliances and standing behind them. Do a search on this forum and you'll see lots of posts - like every brand you will find some negative posts and people who've had problems with particular appliances, but overall the feedback is very positive. By the way, I don't own any Miele appliances - when I remodeled 5 years ago, I decided that the Miele DW was too expensive and went with a top of the line KA instead. Also, I have a single gas range (DCS) but if I were buying wall ovens, Miele would be the one I would consider first.

the oven at $2100 looks to be about a $1000 or more below advertised price. could be a great bargain.

i'll have to take a closer look. i'm a little hesitant because we don't have a local miele "dealer" (store that is giving me all the quotes is no longer going to represent miele--- apparently not a big seller in this area).i was told service wouldn't be an issue but to be on the safe side i will probably check that out too.

do you like your KA dishwasher? the dealer recommended the KA top of the line over miele because it had a four arm spray under the bottom rack, more room between tines than the miele, a built in food grinder and he said it was super quiet.

i didn't get the price on the miele DW because i had read a few negative comments. now, i will probably take a closer look at it too if the price is right.
thanks again for your input.

Yes, I'm really happy with my KA DW. I have a 5 year old "S" model - the top of the line at the time. I find it very quiet - yes you can hear it if you're right in front of it - but I run it during parties and people right in front of it don't even realize it's running. It's large and it cleans and dries very well. The grinder isn't a big deal - that wouldn't be a show stopper for me - but it does have heated dry which Miele and Bosch don't - for some people heated dry is a negative but not for me.

Miele is a great brand, and it looks like those are good prices. I have a Miele DW which I think is great (I also have Miele washer/dryer and vacuum - love the brand). I would nix the Miele MW/Convection. You can get one just as good or better by Panasonic or Sharp for about half that $2000. For something like a MW, I don't believe it pays to go high-end at all. I mean, $1000 difference can be better spent elsewhere. Also, I agree with Weissman about the built-in espresso makers. I just don't think the whole concept of a plumbed built-in espresso maker is worth it (BTW, is plumbing that machine going to be easy or difficult for you?--it depends on your kitchen layout and your plumbing lines location). You can get some real beauties in countertop models, which may work better, and if it breaks, you can repair it or replace it easily. With a built-in, you're kinda like married to it.

The oven and SZ are nice deals, the rest while discounted are nothing to jump up and cheer about unless you are specifically lookin to get THAT unit.

On the DW, I and some think that wider spaing between the tines is HUGE drawback. Less space btw tines = more plates. If the tines fold down you can even fit large servers and pots better. The heated dry is double edged, dries sippy cup lids in the top rack, melts the tupperware bowl if you but it in the bottom tray. Miele and other euro DW's won't melt plastic because they have a different drying system - some even use heat, they just don't bake like US units. The non bake dry is better for fine china/and stemware too.

Miele over Wolf for ovens - I have both
Miele over T'dor/Bosch/Gaggenau on espresso. Have a Miele at home and Gaggenau at office. Tdor..may be a little easier to use but the Miele digital display is really nice. Get plumbed if you hav the kitchen torn up and can easilly run water lines - or you serve a lot of coffee all day.
SZ over the KA- KA outsources their ref. from a sister company. SZ has their own factories, I'd consider GE monogram builtins over the KA too.

What's a Jenn Air FD?? they are kinda a poor cousin compared to your current list.

Thanks everyone for our input. Sorry it has taken so long for me to get back to you. I am still "out there" trying to make a decision. Don't know what's wrong with me. I am usually so decisive.

I'm having a hard time with the Miele oven for a couple of reasons. 1) that I would be buying them from a dealer 60 miles away who will no longer be selling Miele and I'm concerned about service. 2) I'm kind of an old dog and all the 18 or so cooking modes scare me. Will I use them? Will I even figure out how to use them? 3) I'm not in love with the style. On the other hand would love to save the extra $.

Weissman, thanks for the input on the KA DW. I pine for a DW that is silent (if there is such a thing) since kitchen is wide open to great room and dining room. From your description, I'm not sure KA fits that bill. What do you think? I could go either way with heated dry.

Akchicago and Weissman, you both make great points about built in espresso but I do love the look and it would be so so easy to use. We do love our lattes and mochas. :)Plumbing wouldn't be a problem. Everything is torn up so could put unit in butlers pantry next to sink just as you come down the steps from the master and head into kitchen. But then I could just as easily put a free standing unit there too. Yikes, see what I mean about decision making. I can talk myself into and out of anything in 2 seconds flat!

Whenzuc, you definitely scored on your SZ. I don't really WANT the LH door and it wouldn't work as well for me but thought if price was fab could go with it. If I could get your great price I would jump on it but now I'm thinking pay a few extra $ and get what I want and need. Could that possible be a decisive statement?!?

Antss, why miele over wolf? do you have new navatronic with all the different menus? If so is it hard to figure out? Self clean or perfect clean? any warranty issues?
Love that someone else likes the espresso makers. How's the espresso?
Your right about JA but it seems like lots of people I know have them and are happy with them. Also, they are better looking tham some of the others. Do you really think Monogram compares with SZ? My service guy (that I truly love and trust) told me to stay away from GE at all cost.

Once again, thank you all so much. Hope to hear more. Have a wonderful, happy, healthy New Year

BTW, the Jenn-Air french door refrigerator is made by Maytag, which also makes Kitchenaid (Maytag bought whirlpool, so they may be made by the former whirlpool, but they're all the same manufacturer).