Hi Zep, I went ahead and upgraded to mp10 for my system. It seems nice so I'll go with it thanks. Unfortunately I still can't get the songs onto my pos mp3 player, there must be something wrong with it is all I can figure. I am able to rip songs from my cd's fine but the whole transfering them thing just isn't working. I am going to try the mp3 player in another computer at work tomorrow and I'll go from there. Remember we've had this thing for a few years just sitting in a closet with how to speak german on it so its no big loss. I'll go get another simple yet fairly inexpensive model at w-mart to learn on. I'm not giving up on this because I'm tired of listening to the boring elevator music the local station plays here in the middle of nowhere. Thanks, Neal

Here are two, this is all I could find at cnet, that are freeware. I haven't tried either one...so no recommendations from me. One seems to be packed with spyware, the other has its limitations. Read the user reviews. HTH Here is a link that might be useful: cnet

Haven't used this, but it sounds okay. You might try googling "download Utube audio" and see what else you get. Here is a link that might be useful: download Utube audio

I've been using JetAudio for several years now and have never had any problem converting from any format to any other format. It will even convert to some formats I've never heard of. The plus version even works well with video files. Just click on "convert" at the top of the program, then go down to the "output format" window and click on the arrow there to select the format you want to convert to. You can even configure the output file and save it wherever you choose. Works for me...