Have you looked at the Kenmore Pro 44823? It is real hard to get a hands on look at one but it is a lot nicer than the Elite model. For both the All Freezer and All Refergerator and Trim kit, it runs around $4K without any discount.

I think you must be mistaken about it being the same model but newer if the old one only had water and the new won has both. I sold sears appliances for 2 years and cant recall a newer model of the same frig having something as large as ice dispenser added. because the levels go as follows: single door w/door freezer, single door with drawer freezer, french door, french door with water dispenser inside, french door with water dispenser on door, french door with water and ice dispenser on door, and the new double freezer drawers which imo are stupid. anyway, are you sure on the website the 31 3/4" wasnt with the handles? because when they do the measurements they include the handles, and with handles it usually adds about 2 inches in depth.

Hola, I should have known better than to try to pull the above layout off. Thank you very much for your gentle disagreement to wake me up to the reality that sticking a large heavy portable island in front of doorways will not work. Question about REMODELFLA: "move the door down that goes into the bar/desk area": do you mean this? Does this layout work better? This modified layout is moving the current doorway down toward the porch, allowing more space for the island. This then allows me more wall space for a full bar/desk. As always, I really appreciate your help in reviewing my layouts. Thank you very much, Amanda Moved doorway down layout: Overhead view: Another view of walkway between island/fireplace: Recall, the island is 5ft wide by 2ft wide with a 1ft overhang for the 2 stools. The glasses drawers would pull out toward the fireplace (instead of toward cooktop) since it will be used more often than the Tupperware drawers. Familroom mudroom, and porch 'foyer'/desk/bar: I thought about doing a wide shallow U-shape kitchen, where the cooktop would be on the wall of the doorway (facing opposite of the wall oven/fridge). But the way I function, I like having a little barrier from people when I prep/cook. W/ the U-shape, people could stand near me and actually be in my way. Also, I need seating for my 2 kids (7.5 and 6yrs old) for snacks. (Meals will be in the diningroom, which is in the opposite corner of the house � labeled Livingroom. Need the space for my 12feet long diningroom table). 1929Spanish: The distance between the island and fireplace = 4ft. I think that is very spacious, since my current aisle is 28inches!!! The toaster oven area will be flushed w/ the wall oven. It�ll be the appliance garage mainly for the kitchenaid mixer that will slide out (so I never have to lift the darn heavy thing again). RHOME410: I wish I knew how to better utilize the good-size room (~17ftx13.5ft - currently the familyroom). But with the 4 doorways, there is no good way to set up the room as a famiyroom. This design feels very wasteful of a perfectly good room, but I desperately need a mudroom, which cuts into the room (instead of building out). That leaves a 'foyer' for the porch entrance. 2DWs: I ALWAYS have something in the drying rack. I cannot stand looking at it anymore. So I need the 2nd DW to hold all the drying stuff: plastics, knives, pots, etc. Also we host a few big parties each year, so having a 2nd DW would be great! AOKAT15: I kinda gave the condensed reason for needing to shrink the budget. We actually have the money for the renovation, but my husband got a wake-up call when we got our home appraisal back. In the comps, he noted that homes with Central air conditioning were valued more than our home (which currently does not have CAC). So he suggested that we do not renovate the kitchen, but instead install CAC. That is part of my plan, but my order of priority is to do the kitchen first, then CAC in a few years (I can live with window AC for now). DH does not see the value of spending so much money for a kitchen renovation, when CAC actually adds value, but renovated kitchen does not. So in our compromise, instead of the full-blown renovation (see link to full-blown layout thread), we would not go hog-wild, but renovate just to meet our top needs. There is always something else that needs our time/money. Waiting a few years does not help. Waiting will just eat the time/money of the future projects (masterbath, patio, finishing familyroom above the garage, outdoor ice-rink, new roof, cobblestone driveway, etc etc etc). We have a great diningroom that we use daily. I do not need a breakfast table/area. (In my previous house, I had a small diningroom right near the kitchen/breakfast table that is right next to the island with seating. A bunch of useless space.) Now we either eat in the diningroom or a quick snack at the island. Thank you very much, Amanda/huango Here is a link that might be useful: hog-wild layout thread

I have a Kenmore Elite french door. Purchased in 2008. It's used as a 2nd fridge and have had no problems with it. For 6 yrs it was in a garage in the Midwest and for the last 2 yrs in a basement. It also temperature control storage for 2 yrs and started right up when I plugged it in. Due to several moves where I've replaced previous owners appliances, I've had 3 Elite dishwashers (best dishwashers I've ever had- large capacity and heated element so everything gets dried) and 2 Elite washer/dryer sets. I have no kids so just 2 of us. I've also had several of the Elite vacuum cleaners. I never had one issue with any of them. My sister purchased all Elite appliances for her new house in 2008, 3 kids and still running fine to this day. Though she did have an issue in the 7th yr with the dishwasher hose which leaked water onto her flooring. Conclusion was that it was an installation issue that finally reared its head. I haven't purchased any Elite appliances recently so don't know how the current quality is.