ducting range hood inside a non-load bearing stud wall
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Comments (8)smallkitchen, why call it a "very awkward corner"? It's OK. It's nine feet from the return walls to the curtains. That's fine. I might put an iMac control / message center in that corner, along with a comfy armchair. Definitely not a dining table, because I don't like having that as a focal point upon entering. The other "small" wall, visible in images 4, 5, and especially 6, has to stay there. When you enter, you see it first. It's really a big focal point. Right now it's white like the other walls. I'd put a medium size tall mirror on it to draw your eye away from it and away from the curtained wall too. Of course I haven't seen what the mirror would show, the rest of the space and the views, so take that FWIW. Hmm, I think I read that you want to take it down, and leave only a column. I wouldn't do that. Too much open space is not good. Walling off some space is good. Perhaps a frosted window there, next to a tall narrow mirror, might do it.... but it's lots of work for little impact, imho based not on being there but only seeing photos. If I bought your space, here are a number of improvements which I'd shoot for. This list is derived from rewriting other poster's comments saying what they like best about their new kitchen, and edited to suit your small space. 30" deep counters on one side Uninterrupted counterspace Enough useful counterspace in each area More space to prep defined areas - clean up food (running water and places to hold, i.e. sink and DW) - heat food (oven/cooktop or range, MW) - store food (refrigerator, pantry, drawer for bread, drawer for spices garlic & onion bin, separate cool dark dry place for potato bin, etc) A message center. A place to sit. A place to bake. A place to prep. A place to wash up. A stool or perch for the second person in the kitchen Distinct work zones with relevant tools stored there; 2 sets of some articles Space that enables both to cook simultaneously; 2 distinct zones Layout arranged to get more natural light and better views No wall cabinets in one of the zones / areas Uncluttered counters: knife pullout and appliance garage "Yay for less stuff on my gorgeous counters!" Natural light maximized via windows and lack of obstructions Light, lots and lots of light Overhead recessed Under cabinet task lighting Under cabinet lighting -- ditto Pretty pendants dimmer switches Dimmers ... "didn't think we needed undercab lights, but we put them in and I love them. I don't care for overhead lighting much. I love the undercab lights and I can work without the recessed on overhead. I put dimmers on everything in the kitchen and I love how it can be 'romantic' in the kitchen"... window looking into woods mirrors & mirror film on glass cabinet doors, located to maximize natural light from window natural light, sunshine, a light airy feeling, and pretty views out the windows. ...A general quality of the space that makes you want to be there, whether you're cooking or not... Induction cooktop ..."Clean up is such a breeze and induction uses less energy than conventional electric or gas. It's so fast and it has a setting so low as to barely melt chocolate"... Dish drawer dishwasher Big one bowl sink Big one bowl siligranite sink Super single Blanco sink a fridge with a freezer on the bottom Smaller fridge place to store a stepstool if your cabs go to the ceiling pullout in extra deep base, for pantry Toe Kick drawers ...Toekick drawers that others have (darn for not finding this forum sooner)... Bread drawer ..."Of all the expensive things in my new kitchen, my simple bread drawer is my favorite thing. It keeps the breads and bakery items off of the counter and I don't have to keep it in the fridge"... pot and pan drawers Pots and pans drawers a drawer for dishes Deep drawers Drawers, drawers, and more drawers lots of drawers ..."I keep my daily dishes in one and my shoulders appreciated not having to lift them into a wall cupboard. I hated the two "door" cabinets I had because I had to sit on the floor to dig things out. The new kitchen is almost all drawers -- and the two door cupboards have pullouts this time"... Soft close mechanism Full-extension drawer glides Full extension drawers "... wouldn't be without them..." Big deep drawers and a slim cabinet to stand your cookie sheets in flat storage cabinet for trays, mats, etc., and a vertical storage cabinet for platters, plus a pull-out for baking boards cabinet full of vertical racks for storing cutting boards, platters, cookie sheets, etc. A pitchers and vases cupboard or deep drawer. Frameless cabinets maximize volume inside. Never MT Never MT "...haven't filled a soap bottle in over two years... Tapmaster "...really saves on water usage and makes it so easy to wash hands when they're all gunky... Flat-screen tv; sound system under-cabinet molding/trim. ...The cabinets look *framed* and *finished*... ..."I should have put in pullouts (with doors attached) for spices, small appliances. I did pullout trays (deep and shallow - would have been better all deep), but you still have to open the doors and then pull them out. It would have been better all drawers/pullouts (with doors attached)"... ---- I didn't mention disposers and trash: how is garbage managed in your condo building? -- David...See MoreHood vent duct meets 2x4 in wall
Comments (4)There will be some repair work that will have to be done to the wall to run the duct work if you install a vented hood. Without too much more work the stud could probably be moved. A header would need to be installed to carry the load of the stud, just as would be done with any doorway or window. So I guess it comes down to what amount of work the vented hood is worth. I definitely agree that the downdraft would be better than the non-vented hood. The other thing to consider is the fact that adding 2 more 90 degree turns and the extra ducting is going to diminish the effectiveness of the fan. With that length you may need an in-line fan installed to boost the power. Your appliance provider should be able to help you figure out what you need for the amount of pipe you have. Jesse Pender...See MoreVent/hood question - what if a stud is in the way?
Comments (18)Sorry, designnov, my cabs got installed today, and I've been distracted. We didn't discover the problem until demo, and by then there was no way to put the cooktop on the outside wall. I had ordered a Kobe undercabinet hood, 720CFM (effectively) at high speed. It will be pretty powerful, so I'm hoping it will work despite the long trip. Apparently, the duct can go up, down, sideways, whatever. They try to minimize the distance and the turns, of course, since both of those reduce the flow. But you do what you have to, and this is what we had to do. My GC put in a 10x3 duct, and it's tucked so well into the basement ceiling that we didn't notice it until we looked for it. I think it will be fine. I'm cooking on induction, not gas. Hope it works out for you!...See More90 degree turn in duct over range hood? or move the range?
Comments (31)Ah! you missed one of the versions of a comment I have added to quite a few threads. Here it is again. Because we do not get to close off parts of the hood not receiving cooking plume impact, all of the hood has to flow the amount needed at the most stressing part of the effluent plume to be contained at the hood baffle space. How much do we need? Well the actual issue is what velocity of air has to be pulled past the baffles to ensure that the rising plume is pulled into the baffles and contained, versus reflecting off of the baffles and potentially curling back into the room, thereby escaping the capture area and hence removal by the hood. Hot cooking plumes over gas burners can rise at velocities of 1.2 m/s, or almost 4 ft/s. The baffle gap is roughly half the baffle assembly area, so to entrain the plume flow, it seems that some portion of 4 ft/s or 4 x 60 CFM per sq. ft. of baffle area is needed for good containment. Actually, there is usually space under the baffles larger than the baffles proper, so adequate flow is needed all across the hood capture aperture. I believe that I have about 900 actual CFM at home, pulled through a 10 sq. ft. Wolf Pro Island hood. This is equivalent to 90 ft/s. This works over induction hobs, including searing and wok cooking with a 3500W Cooktek wok hob. As it happens, Greenheck also looked into the requirements for CFM, perhaps like me doubting that 100 CFM per ft. of hood edge had a mathematical connection to the process of cooking plume containment. They have published a range of values, and I have taken the liberty of copying their relevant table below. So take your hood area, multiply by some value you believe in for actual needed flow, then multiply by another factor to account for blower ratings not actually applying to the conditions in which they are used. (Another topic written about here more than a few times.) http://www.greenheck.com/media/pdf/otherinfo/KVSApplDesign_catalog.pdf No one has complained here that aiming for 90 CFM/sq. ft. of hood aperture allowed smoke and steam to escape into the kitchen, so long as the hood overlapped the cooking area by enough to capture the expanding plumes....See Morescargod
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