How bad is it if our water nitrate level is high and RO is needed
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Comments (12)Without a KH test anything you do lacks of value, so that 1/3 of RO to 2/3 of tap is like trying to cover the sun with a thumb. PH is highly related to two parameters, General Hardness ( GH ) and Carbonate Hardness ( KH ). General harness is the meassure of all dissolved salts in the water, carbonate hardness is the measure of all dissolved calcium carbonate or salt that behave like calcium carbonate and that give the water it´s buffering prperties. High PH indicates high hardness. The trick is to reduce the hardness by eliminating the salts or by binding them to form chelates. How to: 1.- Reverse Osmosis: it´s called reverse osmosis because it´s performed by pumping the water through a semi permeable membrane that traps pollutants and dissolved salts. 2.- Boiling: you boil the water and the boilibg process causes slats to precipitate. 3.- Ion exchange resins: the water runs through the resin and traps the undesired salts changing them from something else like sodium carbide. 4.- Acid: you add acid ( usually phosphoric acid ) or run the water through an acidic media ( like peat ) until you neutralize the buffering properties of the water. But is not as easy as it seems, to play with the parameters you need to know what you are doing or you can kill the fish. Those are the most common methods but they are not perfect: 1.- RO, unit expense is high and after you have gathered enough water you still have to reconstitute the water to the proper physicochemical parameters, either by adding a certain ammount of tapwater whose PH, KH and GH values have to be tested prior to perform the mix. 2.- Boiling reduces the hardness but not all of it and in case the GH and KH are very high the benefits are minimal. 3.- Ion resin exchange, it´s easy to go to the pet store and purchase one of those water softener pillows, yes they will leave the water "soft" ( low general hardness ) but since they only exchange one salt for the other the KH remains the same, the water will be soft but still very alkaline. In order to make the water soft on both sides ( GH & KH ) you need another resin, problem is that those resins are not easily obtained and need a special unit. 4.- Acid: acid is a cheap but dangerous way to reduce the PH, problem is that until you reduce the bufferenig properties of water the PH will continue to bounce back, more acid is needed until you lower the PH again, a couple of hours later it bounces back and so on, it may take many days before you can finally maintain a stable PH reading. The simplest method is purchasing RO water and slowly mix with tap water until you get the PH, GH and KH right. You will need a container to keep the water and a heater to heat it to get to the same temp found in your tank. 78 degrees is a little bit "cold" for tetras, 80° is what they should have....See MoreAquaPonics, Plants, Hardwater, Amonia, Nitrates, and cycling
Comments (7)Hi greenthumbdewd, Those are a lot of questions, but IÂll try to answer them as best I can. Besides that . . . I think I know why your fish died. They died of poisoning. You need to urgently educate yourself on water chemistry. 1. Water hardness is caused by calcium and magnesium salts in the water. Usually in the form of bicarbonates and sulfates. Plants will absorb some of them, but only if there are sufficient other nutrients in the water (such as nitrates). 2. Baking soda does not soften the water. It is sodium bicarbonate, and it does nothing to the calcium and magnesium. 3. Water softeners are not suitable for fish tanks. All you can do is dilute the water with (safe) rainwater, or RO water. 4. Fish urinate ammonia and phosphates. 5. The conversion of ammonia to nitrate is a two-step process carried out by two groups of bacteria belonging to the genus Nitrosomonas and Nitrobacter. Neither of these bacteria can metabolize organic carbon to meet their energy requirements. Instead they derive their energy for growth from the oxidation of inorganic nitrogen compounds such as ammonia and nitrite. As a result of their unique metabolic pathways their growth rates are extremely slow and typical doubling times are in days compared to less than an hour for organisms that metabolise organic carbon. The slow growth rates of the nitrifying bacteria make them very sensitive to a wide range of physical and chemical parameters. Consequently a thorough understanding of the operational parameters and regular monitoring of the process is vital to ensure maximum nitrification is achieved. 6. Ammonia is highly toxic. Lethal concentrations at a pH of 6.5 are 0.73 ppm, while at pH 8.5 only 0.17 ppm are considered lethal to inhabitants. 7. Most fish can withstand ±40ppm of nitrate. 8. You canÂt keep your fish in water that is toxic to them, yet you need to bring the nutrient level up as high as you can for your plants. This contradictory requirement gives you but one option: a. You still need to bring the ammonia level down as much as possible. (ie: by using a denitrification filter, but that means that you need to keep your tank sparkling clean. NO DIRT) b. You need to keep fish that are reasonable tolerant to high levels of nutrient. (ie: catfish, tilapia) c. You can only grow light feeding plants (ie: lettuce) d. You need to test the water regularly for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and phosphate. You must do a water change whenever the levels overshoot the safety limits....See Moresoftened water in the kitchen for cooking - Is this a bad thing?
Comments (17)We have similar setup with whole house softener and single RO tap at sink for drinking. Comments above pretty much summarize our experience. I must admit though that I laugh a bit at the notion of not using softened water for a pot filler. When I learned how to cook pasta, I was told that the water should be "salted as if for soup." Another friend's benchmark was "salty as sea water!" No question that for quality pasta, or veggies, or about anything else you'd cook in a pot full of water, you'd be adding tons more salt than your softener would ever add! And on't get me started on the sodium police!!! One of the most ridiculous things in the public health/nutrition community is the universal condemnation of salt, in the absence of any rational reason to do so. Salt is bad for a small percentage of people who are hypertensive. That is the only known link between sodium and heart disease. If your blood pressure is normal, there is no reason to worry excessively about sodium--certainly not obsessing over 12.5 mg! Watch any chef in a restaurant season food and you'll see how critical salt is to good cooking. Fortunately most of us can consume it without worry....See MoreConnecting Kinetico RO to a pot filler - Can do or a bad idea?
Comments (7)Not sure the pot-filler option would be much of a convenience anyway. I have had two Kinetico K5W's at different locations for about two years. At 65psi line-pressure, the flow-rate from the tank is faster than previous air-tank unit but still not faucet-fast.....about 1.2 gpm. Holding tank holds 2.7 gallons and refills from empty in a little less than an hour. I am not aware of a larger WOW tank alternative being available. I fill small pans at the sink from the RO spigot. Large pans I place on the stove empty and fill via transfer from a pitcher. If I know I'm going to have several-gallon need, I fill some pitchers in advance so I'm never stuck with an empty tank. Agree with others about only using lines/fittings/fixtures designed for RO water....See Moresnowang
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