Fly 'dirt' and vinyl siding
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Comments (17)Hi all, I've been involved in this discussion before on this site. Regarding the Old House Web link posted above, you can read my response below. People keep bringing up that thread, but nobody seems to bother to read it carefully. As for touch ups, they did leave us a bucket of the CHIC product. As for the issue of it being "vinyl" and all the negative connotations that go along with that, I can tell you that it's not some funky plastic wrap. It's paint. It looks like paint on the house, and as I said before, nobody would know that I didn't just freshly paint my house, unless I told them otherwise. I keep "throwing around" the 5 year paint job, because I've never lived in a house where the paint job looked good beyond that point. At the 5 year mark, there were obvious signs of problems...chalking when you rubbed against the siding...little alligator cracking in places, maybe even some peeling here and there. Three of my neighbors just repainted their houses this summer, and all told me that it had been more like 10 years since they last painted. But, it LOOKED like it was 10 years. Each house probably should have been painted sooner. Also, if paint lasts so long, how come NONE of the painting contractors I contacted would offer more than a 2-year waranty? Regarding the water vapor issue and Perm ratings, here are some actual scientific studies from a reputable testing company. The Perm ratings are all listed below (next to last paragraph). This information is on the CHIC website: ***** I thought I'd pass along this bit of information regarding the liquid vinyl coating (see below). If painting your house would not cause it to rot, then I don't think the liquid vinyl would either. As for the link above that Suzie posted, most of that forum is over 4 years old now, and they are all complaining about one particular company, Alvis, which has gone out of business and was ripping off customers due to lousy workmanship. The best product in the world won't stand up to a lousy, incompetent installation by a disreputable contractor. Does CHIC Liquid Vinyl Breathe? This is very important question and one that many people ask. If Chic Liquid Vinyl or any other exterior coating did not breathe (which is another term for "vapor permeability"), there could be a problem because moisture vapor would build up in the wall of the house, would condense and over time would cause wood damage, mildew, and mold. Vapor Permeability is the degree to which water or water vapor can penetrate (or escape from) a buildings material. This permeability is measured in perms. The lower the perm rating of a coating; the lower the vapor permeability. Conversely, the higher the perm rating of a coating; the higher the vapor permeability. The Boston based Building Science Corporation (www.buildingscience.com) can help one understand perm ratings. Building Science Corporation is an architectural and building science consulting firm with clients throughout North America. This company is internationally recognized for its expertise in moisture dynamics, indoor air quality and building failure investigations. They have a glossary that includes some definitions that relate to vapor permeability. Here are those definitions. Vapor Impermeable: Materials with a perm rating of 0.1 less. (rubber membrane, polyethylene film, glass, aluminum foil) · Vapor Semi-Impermeable: Materials with a perm rating greater than 0.1 but less than 1.0. (oil-based paints) · Vapor Semi-Permeable: Materials with a perm rating greater than 1.0 but less than 10.0 (plywood, OSB, most latex-based paints, elastomeric paints and coatings) · Vapor Permeable: Materials with a perm rating greater than 10 perms (house wraps, building papers) What is the Perm rating of CHIC Liquid Vinyl? Using the ASTM* E96 Procedure B test method, CHIC Liquid Vinyl has a Perm rating of 18. This rating confirms that CHIC Liquid Vinyl is on the high end of the vapor permeable category. Therefore, CHIC Liquid Vinyl is very breatheable, thus allowing water vapor to escape from the building wall. CHIC Liquid Vinyl has been applied to exterior walls of all kinds on thousands of buildings in North America over the last 21 years. In that 21-year period there has not been one issue of wood rot, mildew, or mold resulting from the application of the CHIC Liquid Vinyl System....See MoreDo you like your vinyl siding?
Comments (9)I installed mine over 20 years ago and it still looks nice. Everything that junolane and the rest said is true, all of those things can happen if the siding isn't installed properly, the sun bleaching will happen no matter how it is installed. At one time in my past life (almost 40 years ago) I installed siding of all material,except concrete, and choose vinyl. I like the fact that if anything happens to a piece you can replace it if you kept extra, if a piece comes lose you can repair it and you can install it your self with out any special tools. I agree with the comment about covering the soffits with the perforated soffit material and the facia with aluminum, but I would not do the windows and doors. I don't care for aluminum, it dents and scratches too easy. I didn't go with steel because it requires a special tool to cut it and the considerably extra work to install it right. Another issue that I had with steel is its potential for rust if the paint gets scratched or the installer didn't make sure that every cut was a clean cut that actually bent the paint over the end of the piece. The rust will run down and stain all of the pieces below the scratch. I have looked at some of the new styles and technology and am really impressed with where vinyl siding is at now. Hope this helped....See MoreHow to remove mold from vinyl siding?
Comments (6)I prefer using a garden sprayer to a pressure washer, but you will need a ladder to reach the higher areas. There are several make-at-home cleaning solutions you can use. Here is a link to a Bob Vila blog that outlines the options. I use the detergent and TSP solution. The best way to really clean siding is with a brush, but that's a lot of work. Bob Vila...See MoreVinyl siding installation questions.
Comments (31)Well, looking at what I can see, it looks like the siding stops right at the top of the cement part of the foundation all around the house. . In the front of the house there is about 4 inches between the siding and the ground, so I think that is ok given the existing slope of the ground. On the driveway side the block of the foundation is at the same height of the cement and the siding ends right where the block ends, there is no way to put space between the cement of the driveway and the top.of the foundation block. The other side of the house, where the contractor put the siding below grade, it looks like the cement part of the foundation is currently below grade. So not sure what we need to do. I'm not sure we can re -grade that side to slope away from the house. The building inspector is going to look at the siding when he comes out to approve the permits for the windows, so we'll see what he has to say about what has been done and hopefully tell us what we need to do. I appreciate all the input from everyone here because it helped me understand what I need to look for....See Moreeteinne
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