Toto Washlet vs. cheaper alternative brands
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Toto Washlet: best value/features?
Comments (14)kmcg: "We just returned from a trip to Japan, and my husband thinks I'm a little nutty to want one of these." Your husband will come around. When we are sweaty, we take a shower with water; we do not dry wash our bodies with paper napkins. The same considerations apply to cleaning the nether regions. Almost all of our family are Japanese, and most of them live in Japan. We are the only family unit among our extended family who have not had an advanced toilet seat in our bathroom for at least 15 years. The impediment in our home in the United States has been significant wiring issues to hook up an advanced toilet seat in either of our bathrooms, but we have bitten the bullet and overcome that obstacle. Next month -- finally -- we will be the last of our family to have an advanced toilet seat toilet. But we will not be getting a Toto Washlet. As twice-a-year returnees to Japan, we have constantly monitored the state of the art in Japan, and what we will be buying here for our own home is an Inax Clessence (for use on a Toto Vespin II, which it fits). We prefer the Inax two-wand design to the Toto one-wand design, and the wand flushing and cleansing system on the Inax looks better to us than the wand cleansing on the Totos, also. It does not hurt that, among Japanese, the Inax brand name carries a higher prestige value than does the Toto brand name. (Prestige always should be subservient to function, but, try as we might, we cannot ignore it.) You may come to a different conclusion, but we offer another data point for you to consider....See Moreis coco bidet 9500r as good as toto washlet s300?
Comments (7)janesylvia: "I know TOTO washlet S300 is good. But it's $900, kind of expensive. I don't know if the COCO bidet 9500R (about $450)is as good." Janesylvia, the very fact that we cannot offer an opinion as to the Coco Bidet may be the point of our "opinion" of alternatives to the Toto model. We travel back and forth to Japan several times a year -- and as you know Japan is where the advanced toilet seat technology was invented and is constantly being improved upon. We have seen and "tried" many different models of advanced toilet seats when in Japan (where I happen to be while typing this), but every single one of them was either a Toto model or an Inax model. We have seen other brands, less expensive, of advanced toilet seats for sale in discount stores, but never have we seen any advanced toilet seat that was not either an Inax or a Toto in any public facility or in a home. Inax and Toto completely dominate the Japanese market, which is the most sophisticated market in the world for this specific genre of product. As a matter of personal preference, we prefer the two-wand design of the Inax line -- which allows the posterior cleaning wand and the feminine cleaning wand each to be positioned for the respective optimal angles of incidence of the spray -- to the one-wand design of the Toto models, but that may not be as important to you as it is to us. To underscore the latter, for our own home in the Unted States, we purchased an Inax (the Clessence model that does not have a remote control) for a price about half that of the Toto S300. We are happy with our Inax, and we do not experience the initial "cold moment" that crops up as an issue in the (very positive) Amazon.com reviews of the Coco to you which you linked. Here is a link that might be useful: Other options to consider...See MoreNeorest vs washlet
Comments (2)drbouba: "I am deciding between a "normal" toilet with a bidet lid (eg the Toto S300) or the Neorest 500. It seems like we should go with the neorest because it is a single device which will look better. However, I don't really like nor feel any need for the automatic lid open and closing nor the automatic flushing. Is there any other advantage?" My initial response is that we have a friend who has owned a Neorest for a couple of years, and she loves hers. But I will temper that with the following two remarks. The Neorest is an order of magnitude more complex than the toilet seat alone. Simply, here is much more that can go wrong, which is not saying that something will go wrong, merely that opportunities for failure compound with added complexity. "Can anyone say which have better spray wands or drying action? I think it will be cheaper to go with the washlet but I'd buy the neorest if it will simply be a superior toilet over time." There is a 27 degree difference between the Inax line of advanced toilet seats and the Toto advanced toilet seats. Inax, which invented the category, determined in its research that for the posterior cleansing function, the optimum angle at which the spray should contact the user is 70 degrees from horizontal or, to put it another way, 20 degrees from vertical. Extending the spray wand properly to deliver the stream of warm water at 70 degrees, however, the wand was not well placed for the feminine (bidet) function, so Inax toilet seats use a second, dedicated, wand for the bidet function. Toto designed a single wand to perform both the posterior cleansing and bidet functions (from two independent nozzles in the same wand). That necessitated a compromise of the angle of the spray for posterior cleansing. The Toto posterior spray hits the user at an angle of 43 degrees from horizontal, which is to say, 47 degrees from vertical: a 27 degree difference from the Inax. We have used both Inax and Toto advanced toilet seats both in Japan and in the United States. (The public restrooms in all of Japan's international airports are equipped with Inax toilets, many of them with advanced toilet seats, and a Mercure Hotel where we stayed on a recent visit to Sapporo featured Inax toilets in both the public restrooms and the bathrooms of the guest rooms. However, the toilets in our relatives' homes in Japan are all Toto Washlet equipped.) When we purchased an advanced toilet seat for our own home in the United States, we chose the Inax Clessence ... to fit on a Toto toilet, mainly because of the angle of incidence of the spray. Inax toilet seats fit Toto toilets, and Toto toilet seats fit Inax toilets. The Inax Clessence (or C-series) has "armrest" controls; the Inax advanced toilet seat that is has a remote control and is the equivalent of the Toto S300 is called the L-series or Luscence; and the Inax equivalents of the Toto Neorest are called Regio and Satis. I have no......See MoreToto Washlet vs BioBidet vs Brondell Swash
Comments (40)jimrin: "I'm thinking of getting the Inax Clessence CW-H230-RW (for round toilet seat), which has the control panel attached to the side of the seat, for my mom. However, I cannot find any documentation which says that the spray can be oscillating (automatic movement of the position of the spray back and forth). Does their bidet support that?" The Inax Clessence does not have an oscillation feature. I do not know whether the R-series or L-series Inax seats have that option. The specific model of the two Toto Washlets that are installed in our sister and bother-in-law's home in Kamakura does have that feature, and, being the curious type, I have given it a couple of test drives. Not a feature that I would use even if we had it on ours at home. To be fair, the trial was not apple-to-apples or oranges-to-oranges, because the angle of incidence of the spray from their one-wand Toto Washlet is much closer to horizontal, and the angle of incidence of the spray from our two-wand Inax Clessence is much closer to vertical, than the other. Perhaps I would have liked the oscillating spray more if it were incorporated in a more vertical spray; it is difficult to speculate....See Morebelindas
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