Lacanche vs. O'Keefe & Merritt
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Ovens - Electric vs Gas
Comments (22)All gas and electric ovens have passive-vented (via thermal convection) baking cavities to dissipate moisture emanating from the cooking food. There may be a poof of steam/moisture come out when the door is opened, but passive venting is still occurring when the door is closed. In some cases the exterior location of the cavity vent may not be apparent. The house my parents built in 1964 had an electric wall oven, the vent outlet was hidden at the top behind a chrome frame that surrounded the unit. Venting the oven cavity and cooling electronic controls are not the same thing. Ovens that don't have electronic controls do still have passive venting for the cooking cavity. Electronic controls are often power-cooled by way of a fan, but oven cavities are not ... it would be counterproductive to attempt heating the cooking cavity and at the same time be actively blowing/exhausting room air through it. Convecting baking is not the same thing -- the fan circulates air *within* the oven cavity, it doesn't exhaust/vent the cavity. Ovens, wall ovens in particular, that garner complaints about a noisy fan blowing hot air into the kitchen are not venting the cooking cavity via that fan ... the air flow is exhausting accumulated heat from *inside* the unit's exterior shell where the control boards are located, but *outside* the baking cavity. Stooxie, yes absolutely, my GE Profile range has the oven vent located toward the right side beneath the control panel. The control panel rises 11-inches high from the cooktop surface with 4-inches of it being a "toe-kick" space. Cooktop controls are rotary switches but the oven controls/timer are a flat electronic panel. There is NO cooling fan for the panel, and it does get VERY warm during self cleaning ... to the point that last time I ran a cleaning cycle, I set a small fan to blow across the panel (helped a lot)....See Moreany thoughts on reconditioned O'keefe & Merritt range?
Comments (36)I was given one and refurbished it myself. Think the range was made in 1937 believed to cost 450$ new . My house here in Austin was built in 1937 the people owned the lot so it cost $1850. to build 1000 sq foot wood cottage type house . These ranges replaced wood burning stoves. We talking high tech back then and expensive for the times . I was told at that time they added somewhere around $1.50 + to your gas bill more or less a lease to own program or monthly service fee ( probably like a cable or satellite today ) . It was in pretty good shape upon arrival I rewired using a high temp fiberglass appliance wire . Cleaned for many days on . I could never keep the clock running (the guy at the clock shop said he put his kid through college repairing antique car and range clocks) so just replace the clock's working. Had to replace some fiberglass insulation in one side wall ( mine had no asbestos insulation ) probably rat damage. Little rust in one of the lower pan drawers. If I remember correctly my top was polished nickel. I think the pictures in this post here seem to be chrome plated (refurbisher might have dolled these up by chroming the top or mine had worn off). The people that gave it to me got rid of it due to the oven not working right. A repair person had replaced the oven's thermostat with the incorrect type so I installed the correct one ( parts house salesman set me straight and sold me the correct type ). I finally gave it to another friend about 8 years ago I replaced it with a real clean Magic Chef from the 60's. A Bluestar will probably be my next range. The stove cooked under powered for me (city supplied natural gas). I had a little trouble getting the burners to ignite . This was due to me turning the pilot light down to low . The range has 5 pilots and it was always hot so I tried to cool it off. Winter no problem but summer you could feel it . The oven is real small. The broiler is nice . I never used the griddle much as a griddle ( had one oven shaped rectangle burner under the griddle ) but did use it as a French top with pans and as a warmer. Had to have a big pilot in the oven to make it ignite. That puff noise is accompanied with a wave type airflow (element lighting up) would blow out a low pilot . There is a gas valve for relighting the broiler and the oven pilot light . Similar to lighting a gas hot water heater where you have to push the button in. They get greasy and stick in when you pushed them ( located under the cook top ) . So what I getting at is these are not a carefree range. If you can not repair one yourself service calls cost would kill you. They are a pretty if you like the style. Its ashame they don't cook as good....See More22,000 open vs 21,000 btu sealed
Comments (34)Well, here's my very minor contribution to the cleaning issue: I've cooked on an O'Keefe & Merritt 1950's open burner, in my last apartment (and loved it, BTW, would happily own it again). Since then I've had two sealed burner stoves - Kenmore/Frigidaire and Kenmore/Whirlpool, both glass tops with two PowerPlus burners of around 14.5K. The WP has really outstanding simmer, so low food will cool off if the pan is too large! In fact I never use the 'LO' any longer, keep it on the #1 or #2. But -- a large 'but' - the cleanability of the WP sucks. When mfgs were forced to remove/reduce the lead in glass, this meant that our pre-1989 gas range cleaned up like a dream. But our replacement 2002 gas range is a nightmare. EVERYTHING burns onto this range; all four burners (even the smallest 9K burner) have baked-on brownish-black crud all around them that will simply not come off, even with oven cleaner. My DH got so frustrated one day he attacked it with a knife(!) so I banished him from cleaning the stove at all, LOL. Now, I cook no differently now than I did in 1990. Like to cook and do it a lot, just about every day. I can turn out everything from 10-course Chinese banquets to sushi for 200, no problem. But I personally will never buy another sealed burner stove for my home. I've cooked on a friend's old Garland and as with the O'Keefe & Merritt, vastly prefer using and cleaning an open burner range. Those star burners are just a better design - an improved mousetrap, if you will - than a circular one, even a stacked circular burner. I'll take more expert opinion that they deliver more heat efficiently. The Garland is just a lot more fun to cook on, and faster than my beloved OKM....See MoreDesign Alternatives, Round 2
Comments (9)Thanks for the thoughts everyone--lots to consider! -practigal, what's the advantage of the pull-out cabinet that you posted the photo of? To use the counter for seating if needed? benjesbride, here's the as-built. To the left of the kitchen is a bedroom. We considered incorporating that into a kitchen/family room, but with a smaller two-bedroom house on a 35x100 foot lot, there isn't much room (or budget) to expand and we didn't want a one-bedroom house. Looking at the as-built shows me that we've basically been living in a 7x7 kitchen and also that the 7'4" between fridge and sink isn't at all troublesome to me. funkycamper--I agree about it being nice to have a stool for resting or for a friend to perch on with a glass of wine while I'm cooking, etc. The area above the peninsula in the as-built has a table and stools, but we never use it for eating or hanging out. My thought was that a narrow table away from the main work triangle could have stools under it and also offer another prep surface, but it may just be too crowded. I also agree with you about a full sweep of windows wrapping around the corner. And the black thing is a microwave, which works much better in the peninsula. sena01--huge thanks for taking the time to put that view together. I'd vaguely thought of that arrangement, but seeing it makes me want to consider and discuss it further....See Moreachauer
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