Are you a lawyer murky? You don't have to be a lawyer to understand you have no obligation to follow a contract you didn't sign. And if the tree is public domain, you can grow it. So yeah you're free and clear. Drew...I addressed that to murky, and was not being a wise a** , I was serious. He sounded as though he may have some legal background. Drew...if you didn't sign the contract you couldn't legally have the plant material. Our discussion had turned to syndicated varieties which are not in the public domain. Again...the reference was Sanpadragon and Rubyfrost...Cornell's latest releases. Are we even sure that these syndicated varieties are handled in the same way? Is it required that they be patented or is the syndication itself the legal protection? Sounds like they probably are since Olpea pointed out that Pink Lady began as a club apple...I didn't know that. I thought only the name "pink lady" was the deal there...that the apple Cripp's Pink pre-existed it. I do know they are sold under both names now in the supermarkets.

Thanks I found it on the website. It says that it was patented december 30 1986. Still it should have expired december 2006. But now I just read this. (To further complicate matters, some plants are both patented (the only legal means to protect a new plant) and trademarked. Some nurserymen discovered that they could walk a tight rope around the spirit of the law and get the 20 year protection that the plant patent provides, plus a further measure of protection by trademarking. Once the patent expired, others could propagate the plant, but could not sell it under the trademark name. Trademarks are valid for 10 years if actually used correctly in commerce, and can be renewed indefinitely for 10 year periods.) I can't find any info on its trademark status. But if it is then I can sell El Toro, but I can't tell anyone it's El Toro?

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