Lux, I also have Mlle. Jeanne Philippe, my only apricot, but it's still too early for me to really comment on it, as it is only about a year and a half old. So far, I like it very much. It's really graceful and pretty to look at even when it's not blooming, and last spring/summer/fall it really didn't bloom much. This year, however, it is starting out with enthusiasm - it's right outside my window as I sit at the computer, and I can count seven buds, one of which is starting to open. I'm glad to read in your post that it's a very floriferous rose (though I would keep it even if it were not). Can you tell me anything about how big it will get? Vintage described it as being small, which is what I need (all of my few roses are in pots and must remain so), but Vintage didn't sound entirely sure about ultimate size. Thanks for any info you can give me. Laura

Do you want these Teas to meet and form a wall? Or do you want spaces between them? Okay, I'll say it outright. "Second Street Tea" has been a complete dud for me, and I bought the #$*!@ thing under two different found rose names. It mildews and gets a leaf spot. Won't grow, either. I can't wait to hack up the second plant for making me look bad. So I doubt it will outgrow the space. :) Le Pactole is a huge thing. It will need every inch of 8 feet. It is trained as a climber over a wide arch in Sacramento. But Sacramento is Zone 9, not 7, so YMMV. Mrs. B. R. Can't may also be bigger than the others (except for Le Pactole). It grew about 8 feet wide within two years in the ground in Zone 9. It won't see another spring here because Mrs. B.R. simply can't open its blooms in my climate, even in this outstandingly dry spring, when there was not one single balled bloom on E. Veyrat Hermanos, the Queen of Balled Blooms. Sawyer Plot Tea/Mme. Lambard/Georgetown Tea will be fine in an 8 foot space. In Zone 9, the largest/widest I've seen was about 10 feet wide, at which time it handled pruning easily. Angel's Camp Tea and Mons. Tillier will also be fine. You'll need to be patient for Mons. T. to fill out because it can have bare knees as a young plant. I can't say where Souvenir d'Un Ami will end up. It isn't breaking any size records right now, although it grew nicely its first season in the ground. I grow Safrano, not Isabella Sprunt. Safrano is not nearly as large as the other Teas in my garden. Even with great age, around here the widest I've seen it was about 6 feet in a very very old plant that was quite vase-like in shape, naked at the base. My plant has foliage right to the ground, but it hasn't made it past 5 feet in....7 years or so. I'm not positive Isabella Sprunt is exactly like Safrano in growth habit. Don't know about the others.

Robert, Given your location, the lovely CarolFM's info on Duke of York is what you should follow. For me, DY/Papillon from Vintage is a quite small climber. Madame Charles is one of my supreme favorites and I would encourage you to try her. She is a lush and gorgeous frequent bloomer, and I have her stifled in a terracotta pot on my patio. Souvenir de Victor Hugo is a rose I want badly to succeed here, but I have my doubts. The plant was covered with powdery mildew earlier this year, and though the PM has retreated for the time being, I'm not sure the rose will do well with the few hours of sunshine he gets in the spot where I currently have him. He's gonna be a big guy, though, upright and maybe a bit leggy... It amazes me that you still have room for more roses :-) Good luck, ~ Alexis

Thank you so much for the message, I'd forgotten to have follow-ups emailed! And gosh, I really think you nailed it. The photos on HMF look EXACTLY like my rose, I even did a double-take thinking that I'd taken one of them. :D This is wonderful information to have, because I was going to prune it like a hybrid tea next spring! Now instead I just have to figure out how I want to train it. Thanks again!!