Proline vs Prestige Range Hood
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Comments (22)Purchased a hood from Proline in late March.Rec'd w/in a week.It's a nice looking unit.Chimney was damaged and 4 holes in the support were double drilled.Asked for replacements and wanted the 2 pieces cut down.We're willing to pay for that.Said they'd have Fedex pick them up.Finally after a few phone calls, they send Fedex to pick items up.More time passed and FINALLY got the cut down SS chimney.We're still waiting for the cutdown support and still getting the runaround.We are so frustrated.This is an island hood and one Proline worker said the support with double drilled holes would be okay to use as is.Mind you, it must hold 60#, and we live near a train track.We're concerned that over time, the screws could loosen and possibly cause it to fall on our new stove.The unit weighs 60#.To which this person said, "It's no big deal.It will work okay even w/the double drilled holes." Sure--they don't have to live w/it. NOTE:If you buy from Proline, be sure you read EVERYTHING they have on their website.Which is A LOT! It's now the 3rd week in June and the hood is still sitting on our LR floor waiting for the cut down support that will make it fit our counter to ceiling space. Their CS folk keep saying, "I'm sorry." and that they are waiting to hear from persons in their Ohio facility.It seems to be a continual problem.I asked to speak (not the first time)to the owner and it seems he's always in China. Their hoods look nice, hopefully the quality is good, but their integrity is in question.Too bad those that answer their phones have to take all the flak from customers.They likely are trying, but it's hard trying to move dead meat. Sure hope they get paid REALLY well....See MoreRange hoods - Kitchen Aid vs. Kobe vs. Kenmore vs. GE Profile vs cheap
Comments (1)Hopefully you'll get some specific advice but I have a suspicion that all you can really do is check looks, size, and CFM and hope for the best. Since you can't really tell in a showroom how noisy they'll be because they aren't ducted properly, you CAN check things like how easy it is to remove the thingies to clean, how good the lights are, how likely it is that knobs will fall into the pot, and stuff like that....See MoreRange Hood: Zephyr vs. Miele vs. Prestige / BlueStar
Comments (20)A few comments: 1. Pipe diameter can be used to find the VOLUME or CAPACITY of the pipe. Saying a 6" exhaust duct, assuming round here, is half the size of an 8" is not correct. It has half the VOLUME of an 8". Remember grand school geometry pi x r-squared give the area of a circle. So the inference in saying the 6" is half the size really is referring to it's 2d AREA. 6" round exhaust hood has an AREA of 3x3x3.14159 = 28.2743 square inches of area 8" round exhaust hood has an AREA of 4x4x3.14159 = 50.2654 square inches of area. 10" round exhaust hood has an AREA of 5x5x3.14159 = 78.5397 square inches of area. When talking about exhaust venting for a grease carrying duct (which is what kitchen hoods are) ASHRE says a MINIMUM velocity of 500FPM should be used. This is also the most efficient velocity. Faster velocities are less efficient, require larger motors and do not capture grease as well, but are acceptable up to about 2000FPM. Lower velocities allow grease to condense and can cause fires, reduced capture and poor performance. So lets see what the velocities are for the 6" and 8" range hoods (We have to convert the are of the pipe from above from square inches to square ft): 700 CFM 6" - 700 / (28.2643/144) = 3566 FPM 8" - 700 / (50.2654/144) = 2005 FPM 10" - 700 x (78.5397/144) = 1283 FPM 12" - 700 x ( 113.0972/144) = 891 FPM 14" - 700 x (153.9379/144) = 654 FPM 16" - 700 x (201.0617/144) = 501 FPM So as we see above the CORRECT duct size should be 16" for a 700 CFM blower to achieve the ASHRE recommended 500FPM minimum velocity for a grease carrying exhaust duct. This would also be assuming the duct run is very short and has minimal to no friction losses due to it's short length and no bends. If the run is LONG or has a lot of bends then there will frictional loss in the pipe. These losses are fairly well defined based on pipe size and length and can be found online with simple searches. If the exhaust pipe is not round then the math for area is simple, but the frictional loss calculations become more complex. There are charts to get a rough estimate. When running the fan at LESS than it's maximum speed then we need to figure out the correct duct size to achieve 500 FPM. Keep in mind that this will mean that we will have a higher FPM through the same size duct when running at a higher speed. To do this calculation we need to know what the total static pressure the hood fan is capable of achieving. For Zephyr models they list the total static pressure as 1.25 w.g. at the specific hoods maximum listed CFM. Static pressure is the resistance to air movement. This could be from restrictions in the exhaust pipe, lack of available air to put in the pipe, etc. This is where make up air (MUA) comes into the picture. Some new homes are built with a vapor barrier (tyvek or plastic sheet) that "seals" the house so well that air does not leak in around windows, cracks, etc. If an exhaust fan is running it is removing air from the building. When this happens the air pressure inside the building goes down. The exhaust fan has to work harder to continue to move more air. Once the pressure goes beyond the design static pressure for the fan the air flow slows down. In commercial building a MUA unit will have a fan and a way to heat or cool the air. This unit is controlled by a static pressure sensor that meaures the pressure difference between the outiside and incide the building. When the pressure drops inside the building the MUA fan speed increases to supply more air and equalize the pressure. In a home the MUA could be opening a kitchen window. When the exhaust hood/fan is on the make up air will be drawn in through the window. Or a system, like what a commercial building uses, can be installed. NOW all that explained we want to know what the correct duct size should be for a Zephyr hood that has multiple speeds. I will use the Typhoon model. It has a CFM range of 250-850. Duct Size (FPM) CFM 6" 8" 10" 12" 14" 16" 250 1273 716 458 318 233 179 850 4329 2005 1558 1082 795 608 So what did we learn from the above chart? For this particular hood we should have at LEAST an 8" duct, but I would argue that a 10" duct should be the minimum. The max working static pressure of most Zephyr hood is about 1.25" w.g. That works about to about 1500FPM in duct before the fan runs out of oomph to push more. Add in bends or other restrictions and 10-12" would make the most sense. Now if you you are venting directly out the back through the wall and there is no real ductwork, then all of these numbers can go out the window as there is not realy duct to worry about....See MorePrestige Pro-Line High Capacity Hood. Is 30" Too Deep?
Comments (18)If I were doing a kitchen from scratch, I would absolutely do something very similar to what you did @opaone (and billy_g from another thread). Unfortunately, my cabinets and backsplash are designed to have an 18" high wall mount hood that starts about 32" above the range surface. To go deep commercial hood, I think I'd need to remove the cabinet above it, and cut the crown moulding right above them, not sure how involved that would be. Our ducting situation is a 10" round right above the hood that just goes immediately straight out the side (ie the run length is just the thickness of the outer wall) so there's nowhere to include a silencer and the external blower would be so close I'm not sure there would be much noise reduction. And the backsplash tiling would need to be redone, because it only goes up to the height of the current hood. Also, wiring for a remote switch. In other words it would be a pretty big project for one appliance, unless I'm overthinking it somehow or missing some easier way. Honestly even the 30" Prestige is probably deep enough that in our configuration it would cause issues for anyone taller than 5'9 or so (fine for us, perhaps not fine for some relatives who might occasionally cook here)....See MoreTonySak
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