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The Long Emergency

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The Long Emergency

What's going to happen as we start running out of cheap gas to guzzle?

By JAMES HOWARD KUNSTLER

A few weeks ago, the price of oil ratcheted above fifty-five dollars a

barrel, which is about twenty dollars a barrel more than a year ago. The

next day, the oil story was buried on page six of the New York Times

business section. Apparently, the price of oil is not considered significant

news, even when it goes up five bucks a barrel in the span of ten days. That

same day, the stock market shot up more than a hundred points because, CNN

said, government data showed no signs of inflation. Note to clueless nation:

Call planet Earth.

Carl Jung, one of the fathers of psychology, famously remarked that "people

cannot stand too much reality." What you're about to read may challenge your

assumptions about the kind of world we live in, and especially the kind of

world into which events are propelling us. We are in for a rough ride

through uncharted territory.

It has been very hard for Americans -- lost in dark raptures of nonstop

infotainment, recreational shopping and compulsive motoring -- to make sense

of the gathering forces that will fundamentally alter the terms of everyday

life in our technological society. Even after the terrorist attacks of 9/11,

America is still sleepwalking into the future. I call this coming time the

Long Emergency.

Most immediately we face the end of the cheap-fossil-fuel era. It is no

exaggeration to state that reliable supplies of cheap oil and natural gas

underlie everything we identify as the necessities of modern life -- not to

mention all of its comforts and luxuries: central heating, air conditioning,

cars, airplanes, electric lights, inexpensive clothing, recorded music,

movies, hip-replacement surgery, national defense -- you name it.

The few Americans who are even aware that there is a gathering global-energy

predicament usually misunderstand the core of the argument. That argument

states that we don't have to run out of oil to start having severe problems

with industrial civilization and its dependent systems. We only have to slip

over the all-time production peak and begin a slide down the arc of steady

depletion.

The term "global oil-production peak" means that a turning point will come

when the world produces the most oil it will ever produce in a given year

and, after that, yearly production will inexorably decline. It is usually

represented graphically in a bell curve. The peak is the top of the curve,

the halfway point of the world's all-time total endowment, meaning half the

world's oil will be left. That seems like a lot of oil, and it is, but

there's a big catch: It's the half that is much more difficult to extract,

far more costly to get, of much poorer quality and located mostly in places

where the people hate us. A substantial amount of it will never be

extracted.

The United States passed its own oil peak -- about 11 million barrels a day

-- in 1970, and since then production has dropped steadily. In 2004 it ran

just above 5 million barrels a day (we get a tad more from natural-gas

condensates). Yet we consume roughly 20 million barrels a day now. That

means we have to import about two-thirds of our oil, and the ratio will

continue to worsen.

The U.S. peak in 1970 brought on a portentous change in geoeconomic power.

Within a few years, foreign producers, chiefly OPEC, were setting the price

of oil, and this in turn led to the oil crises of the 1970s. In response,

frantic development of non-OPEC oil, especially the North Sea fields of

England and Norway, essentially saved the West's ass for about two decades.

Since 1999, these fields have entered depletion. Meanwhile, worldwide

discovery of new oil has steadily declined to insignificant levels in 2003

and 2004.

Some "cornucopians" claim that the Earth has something like a creamy nougat

center of "abiotic" oil that will naturally replenish the great oil fields

of the world. The facts speak differently. There has been no replacement

whatsoever of oil already extracted from the fields of America or any other

place.

Now we are faced with the global oil-production peak. The best estimates of

when this will actually happen have been somewhere between now and 2010. In

2004, however, after demand from burgeoning China and India shot up, and

revelations that Shell Oil wildly misstated its reserves, and Saudi Arabia

proved incapable of goosing up its production despite promises to do so, the

most knowledgeable experts revised their predictions and now concur that

2005 is apt to be the year of all-time global peak production.

It will change everything about how we live.

To aggravate matters, American natural-gas production is also declining, at

five percent a year, despite frenetic new drilling, and with the potential

of much steeper declines ahead. Because of the oil crises of the 1970s, the

nuclear-plant disasters at Three Mile Island and Chernobyl and the acid-rain

problem, the U.S. chose to make gas its first choice for electric-power

generation. The result was that just about every power plant built after

1980 has to run on gas. Half the homes in America are heated with gas. To

further complicate matters, gas isn't easy to import. Here in North America,

it is distributed through a vast pipeline network. Gas imported from

overseas would have to be compressed at minus-260 degrees Fahrenheit in

pressurized tanker ships and unloaded (re-gasified) at special terminals, of

which few exist in America. Moreover, the first attempts to site new

terminals have met furious opposition because they are such ripe targets for

terrorism.

Some other things about the global energy predicament are poorly understood

by the public and even our leaders. This is going to be a permanent energy

crisis, and these energy problems will synergize with the disruptions of

climate change, epidemic disease and population overshoot to produce higher

orders of trouble.

We will have to accommodate ourselves to fundamentally changed conditions.

No combination of alternative fuels will allow us to run American life the

way we have been used to running it, or even a substantial fraction of it.

The wonders of steady technological progress achieved through the reign of

cheap oil have lulled us into a kind of Jiminy Cricket syndrome, leading

many Americans to believe that anything we wish for hard enough will come

true. These days, even people who ought to know better are wishing ardently

for a seamless transition from fossil fuels to their putative replacements.

The widely touted "hydrogen economy" is a particularly cruel hoax. We are

not going to replace the U.S. automobile and truck fleet with vehicles run

on fuel cells. For one thing, the current generation of fuel cells is

largely designed to run on hydrogen obtained from natural gas. The other way

to get hydrogen in the quantities wished for would be electrolysis of water

using power from hundreds of nuclear plants. Apart from the dim prospect of

our building that many nuclear plants soon enough, there are also numerous

severe problems with hydrogen's nature as an element that present forbidding

obstacles to its use as a replacement for oil and gas, especially in storage

and transport.

Wishful notions about rescuing our way of life with "renewables" are also

unrealistic. Solar-electric systems and wind turbines face not only the

enormous problem of scale but the fact that the components require

substantial amounts of energy to manufacture and the probability that they

can't be manufactured at all without the underlying support platform of a

fossil-fuel economy. We will surely use solar and wind technology to

generate some electricity for a period ahead but probably at a very local

and small scale.

Virtually all "biomass" schemes for using plants to create liquid fuels

cannot be scaled up to even a fraction of the level at which things are

currently run. What's more, these schemes are predicated on using oil and

gas "inputs" (fertilizers, weed-killers) to grow the biomass crops that

would be converted into ethanol or bio-diesel fuels. This is a net energy

loser -- you might as well just burn the inputs and not bother with the

biomass products. Proposals to distill trash and waste into oil by means of

thermal depolymerization depend on the huge waste stream produced by a cheap

oil and gas economy in the first place.

Coal is far less versatile than oil and gas, extant in less abundant

supplies than many people assume and fraught with huge ecological drawbacks

-- as a contributor to greenhouse "global warming" gases and many health and

toxicity issues ranging from widespread mercury poisoning to acid rain. You

can make synthetic oil from coal, but the only time this was tried on a

large scale was by the Nazis under wartime conditions, using impressive

amounts of slave labor.

If we wish to keep the lights on in America after 2020, we may indeed have

to resort to nuclear power, with all its practical problems and

eco-conundrums. Under optimal conditions, it could take ten years to get a

new generation of nuclear power plants into operation, and the price may be

beyond our means. Uranium is also a resource in finite supply. We are no

closer to the more difficult project of atomic fusion, by the way, than we

were in the 1970s.

The upshot of all this is that we are entering a historical period of

potentially great instability, turbulence and hardship. Obviously,

geopolitical maneuvering around the world's richest energy regions has

already led to war and promises more international military conflict. Since

the Middle East contains two-thirds of the world's remaining oil supplies,

the U.S. has attempted desperately to stabilize the region by, in effect,

opening a big police station in Iraq. The intent was not just to secure

Iraq's oil but to modify and influence the behavior of neighboring states

around the Persian Gulf, especially Iran and Saudi Arabia. The results have

been far from entirely positive, and our future prospects in that part of

the world are not something we can feel altogether confident about.

And then there is the issue of China, which, in 2004, became the world's

second-greatest consumer of oil, surpassing Japan. China's surging

industrial growth has made it increasingly dependent on the imports we are

counting on. If China wanted to, it could easily walk into some of these

places -- the Middle East, former Soviet republics in central Asia -- and

extend its hegemony by force. Is America prepared to contest for this oil in

an Asian land war with the Chinese army? I doubt it. Nor can the U.S.

military occupy regions of the Eastern Hemisphere indefinitely, or hope to

secure either the terrain or the oil infrastructure of one distant,

unfriendly country after another. A likely scenario is that the U.S. could

exhaust and bankrupt itself trying to do this, and be forced to withdraw

back into our own hemisphere, having lost access to most of the world's

remaining oil in the process.

We know that our national leaders are hardly uninformed about this

predicament. President George W. Bush has been briefed on the dangers of the

oil-peak situation as long ago as before the 2000 election and repeatedly

since then. In March, the Department of Energy released a report that

officially acknowledges for the first time that peak oil is for real and

states plainly that "the world has never faced a problem like this. Without

massive mitigation more than a decade before the fact, the problem will be

pervasive and will not be temporary."

Most of all, the Long Emergency will require us to make other arrangements

for the way we live in the United States. America is in a special

predicament due to a set of unfortunate choices we made as a society in the

twentieth century. Perhaps the worst was to let our towns and cities rot

away and to replace them with suburbia, which had the additional side effect

of trashing a lot of the best farmland in America. Suburbia will come to be

regarded as the greatest misallocation of resources in the history of the

world. It has a tragic destiny. The psychology of previous investment

suggests that we will defend our drive-in utopia long after it has become a

terrible liability.

Before long, the suburbs will fail us in practical terms. We made the

ongoing development of housing subdivisions, highway strips, fried-food

shacks and shopping malls the basis of our economy, and when we have to stop

making more of those things, the bottom will fall out.

The circumstances of the Long Emergency will require us to downscale and

re-scale virtually everything we do and how we do it, from the kind of

communities we physically inhabit to the way we grow our food to the way we

work and trade the products of our work. Our lives will become profoundly

and intensely local. Daily life will be far less about mobility and much

more about staying where you are. Anything organized on the large scale,

whether it is government or a corporate business enterprise such as

Wal-Mart, will wither as the cheap energy props that support bigness fall

away. The turbulence of the Long Emergency will produce a lot of economic

losers, and many of these will be members of an angry and aggrieved former

middle class.

Food production is going to be an enormous problem in the Long Emergency. As

industrial agriculture fails due to a scarcity of oil- and gas-based inputs,

we will certainly have to grow more of our food closer to where we live, and

do it on a smaller scale. The American economy of the mid-twenty-first

century may actually center on agriculture, not information, not high tech,

not "services" like real estate sales or hawking cheeseburgers to tourists.

Farming. This is no doubt a startling, radical idea, and it raises extremely

difficult questions about the reallocation of land and the nature of work.

The relentless subdividing of land in the late twentieth century has

destroyed the contiguity and integrity of the rural landscape in most

places. The process of readjustment is apt to be disorderly and

improvisational. Food production will necessarily be much more

labor-intensive than it has been for decades. We can anticipate the

re-formation of a native-born American farm-laboring class. It will be

composed largely of the aforementioned economic losers who had to relinquish

their grip on the American dream. These masses of disentitled people may

enter into quasi-feudal social relations with those who own land in exchange

for food and physical security. But their sense of grievance will remain

fresh, and if mistreated they may simply seize that land.

The way that commerce is currently organized in America will not survive far

into the Long Emergency. Wal-Mart's "warehouse on wheels" won't be such a

bargain in a non-cheap-oil economy. The national chain stores' 12,000-mile

manufacturing supply lines could easily be interrupted by military contests

over oil and by internal conflict in the nations that have been supplying us

with ultra-cheap manufactured goods, because they, too, will be struggling

with similar issues of energy famine and all the disorders that go with it.

As these things occur, America will have to make other arrangements for the

manufacture, distribution and sale of ordinary goods. They will probably be

made on a "cottage industry" basis rather than the factory system we once

had, since the scale of available energy will be much lower -- and we are

not going to replay the twentieth century. Tens of thousands of the common

products we enjoy today, from paints to pharmaceuticals, are made out of

oil. They will become increasingly scarce or unavailable. The selling of

things will have to be reorganized at the local scale. It will have to be

based on moving merchandise shorter distances. It is almost certain to

result in higher costs for the things we buy and far fewer choices.

The automobile will be a diminished presence in our lives, to say the least.

With gasoline in short supply, not to mention tax revenue, our roads will

surely suffer. The interstate highway system is more delicate than the

public realizes. If the "level of service" (as traffic engineers call it) is

not maintained to the highest degree, problems multiply and escalate

quickly. The system does not tolerate partial failure. The interstates are

either in excellent condition, or they quickly fall apart.

America today has a railroad system that the Bulgarians would be ashamed of.

Neither of the two major presidential candidates in 2004 mentioned

railroads, but if we don't refurbish our rail system, then there may be no

long-range travel or transport of goods at all a few decades from now. The

commercial aviation industry, already on its knees financially, is likely to

vanish. The sheer cost of maintaining gigantic airports may not justify the

operation of a much-reduced air-travel fleet. Railroads are far more energy

efficient than cars, trucks or airplanes, and they can be run on anything

from wood to electricity. The rail-bed infrastructure is also far more

economical to maintain than our highway network.

The successful regions in the twenty-first century will be the ones

surrounded by viable farming hinterlands that can reconstitute locally

sustainable economies on an armature of civic cohesion. Small towns and

smaller cities have better prospects than the big cities, which will

probably have to contract substantially. The process will be painful and

tumultuous. In many American cities, such as Cleveland, Detroit and St.

Louis, that process is already well advanced. Others have further to fall.

New York and Chicago face extraordinary difficulties, being oversupplied

with gigantic buildings out of scale with the reality of declining energy

supplies. Their former agricultural hinterlands have long been paved over.

They will be encysted in a surrounding fabric of necrotic suburbia that will

only amplify and reinforce the cities' problems. Still, our cities occupy

important sites. Some kind of urban entities will exist where they are in

the future, but probably not the colossi of twentieth-century industrialism.

Some regions of the country will do better than others in the Long

Emergency. The Southwest will suffer in proportion to the degree that it

prospered during the cheap-oil blowout of the late twentieth century. I

predict that Sunbelt states like Arizona and Nevada will become

significantly depopulated, since the region will be short of water as well

as gasoline and natural gas. Imagine Phoenix without cheap air conditioning.

I'm not optimistic about the Southeast, either, for different reasons. I

think it will be subject to substantial levels of violence as the grievances

of the formerly middle class boil over and collide with the delusions of

Pentecostal Christian extremism. The latent encoded behavior of Southern

culture includes an outsized notion of individualism and the belief that

firearms ought to be used in the defense of it. This is a poor recipe for

civic cohesion.

The Mountain States and Great Plains will face an array of problems, from

poor farming potential to water shortages to population loss. The Pacific

Northwest, New England and the Upper Midwest have somewhat better prospects.

I regard them as less likely to fall into lawlessness, anarchy or despotism

and more likely to salvage the bits and pieces of our best social traditions

and keep them in operation at some level.

These are daunting and even dreadful prospects. The Long Emergency is going

to be a tremendous trauma for the human race. We will not believe that this

is happening to us, that 200 years of modernity can be brought to its knees

by a world-wide power shortage. The survivors will have to cultivate a

religion of hope -- that is, a deep and comprehensive belief that humanity

is worth carrying on. If there is any positive side to stark changes coming

our way, it may be in the benefits of close communal relations, of having to

really work intimately (and physically) with our neighbors, to be part of an

enterprise that really matters and to be fully engaged in meaningful social

enactments instead of being merely entertained to avoid boredom. Years from

now, when we hear singing at all, we will hear ourselves, and we will sing

with our whole hearts.

The Long Emergency

What's going to happen as we start running out of cheap gas to guzzle?

By JAMES HOWARD KUNSTLER

A few weeks ago, the price of oil ratcheted above fifty-five dollars a

barrel, which is about twenty dollars a barrel more than a year ago. The

next day, the oil story was buried on page six of the New York Times

business section. Apparently, the price of oil is not considered significant

news, even when it goes up five bucks a barrel in the span of ten days. That

same day, the stock market shot up more than a hundred points because, CNN

said, government data showed no signs of inflation. Note to clueless nation:

Call planet Earth.

Carl Jung, one of the fathers of psychology, famously remarked that "people

cannot stand too much reality." What you're about to read may challenge your

assumptions about the kind of world we live in, and especially the kind of

world into which events are propelling us. We are in for a rough ride

through uncharted territory.

It has been very hard for Americans -- lost in dark raptures of nonstop

infotainment, recreational shopping and compulsive motoring -- to make sense

of the gathering forces that will fundamentally alter the terms of everyday

life in our technological society. Even after the terrorist attacks of 9/11,

America is still sleepwalking into the future. I call this coming time the

Long Emergency.

Most immediately we face the end of the cheap-fossil-fuel era. It is no

exaggeration to state that reliable supplies of cheap oil and natural gas

underlie everything we identify as the necessities of modern life -- not to

mention all of its comforts and luxuries: central heating, air conditioning,

cars, airplanes, electric lights, inexpensive clothing, recorded music,

movies, hip-replacement surgery, national defense -- you name it.

The few Americans who are even aware that there is a gathering global-energy

predicament usually misunderstand the core of the argument. That argument

states that we don't have to run out of oil to start having severe problems

with industrial civilization and its dependent systems. We only have to slip

over the all-time production peak and begin a slide down the arc of steady

depletion.

The term "global oil-production peak" means that a turning point will come

when the world produces the most oil it will ever produce in a given year

and, after that, yearly production will inexorably decline. It is usually

represented graphically in a bell curve. The peak is the top of the curve,

the halfway point of the world's all-time total endowment, meaning half the

world's oil will be left. That seems like a lot of oil, and it is, but

there's a big catch: It's the half that is much more difficult to extract,

far more costly to get, of much poorer quality and located mostly in places

where the people hate us. A substantial amount of it will never be

extracted.

The United States passed its own oil peak -- about 11 million barrels a day

-- in 1970, and since then production has dropped steadily. In 2004 it ran

just above 5 million barrels a day (we get a tad more from natural-gas

condensates). Yet we consume roughly 20 million barrels a day now. That

means we have to import about two-thirds of our oil, and the ratio will

continue to worsen.

The U.S. peak in 1970 brought on a portentous change in geoeconomic power.

Within a few years, foreign producers, chiefly OPEC, were setting the price

of oil, and this in turn led to the oil crises of the 1970s. In response,

frantic development of non-OPEC oil, especially the North Sea fields of

England and Norway, essentially saved the West's ass for about two decades.

Since 1999, these fields have entered depletion. Meanwhile, worldwide

discovery of new oil has steadily declined to insignificant levels in 2003

and 2004.

Some "cornucopians" claim that the Earth has something like a creamy nougat

center of "abiotic" oil that will naturally replenish the great oil fields

of the world. The facts speak differently. There has been no replacement

whatsoever of oil already extracted from the fields of America or any other

place.

Now we are faced with the global oil-production peak. The best estimates of

when this will actually happen have been somewhere between now and 2010. In

2004, however, after demand from burgeoning China and India shot up, and

revelations that Shell Oil wildly misstated its reserves, and Saudi Arabia

proved incapable of goosing up its production despite promises to do so, the

most knowledgeable experts revised their predictions and now concur that

2005 is apt to be the year of all-time global peak production.

It will change everything about how we live.

To aggravate matters, American natural-gas production is also declining, at

five percent a year, despite frenetic new drilling, and with the potential

of much steeper declines ahead. Because of the oil crises of the 1970s, the

nuclear-plant disasters at Three Mile Island and Chernobyl and the acid-rain

problem, the U.S. chose to make gas its first choice for electric-power

generation. The result was that just about every power plant built after

1980 has to run on gas. Half the homes in America are heated with gas. To

further complicate matters, gas isn't easy to import. Here in North America,

it is distributed through a vast pipeline network. Gas imported from

overseas would have to be compressed at minus-260 degrees Fahrenheit in

pressurized tanker ships and unloaded (re-gasified) at special terminals, of

which few exist in America. Moreover, the first attempts to site new

terminals have met furious opposition because they are such ripe targets for

terrorism.

Some other things about the global energy predicament are poorly understood

by the public and even our leaders. This is going to be a permanent energy

crisis, and these energy problems will synergize with the disruptions of

climate change, epidemic disease and population overshoot to produce higher

orders of trouble.

We will have to accommodate ourselves to fundamentally changed conditions.

No combination of alternative fuels will allow us to run American life the

way we have been used to running it, or even a substantial fraction of it.

The wonders of steady technological progress achieved through the reign of

cheap oil have lulled us into a kind of Jiminy Cricket syndrome, leading

many Americans to believe that anything we wish for hard enough will come

true. These days, even people who ought to know better are wishing ardently

for a seamless transition from fossil fuels to their putative replacements.

The widely touted "hydrogen economy" is a particularly cruel hoax. We are

not going to replace the U.S. automobile and truck fleet with vehicles run

on fuel cells. For one thing, the current generation of fuel cells is

largely designed to run on hydrogen obtained from natural gas. The other way

to get hydrogen in the quantities wished for would be electrolysis of water

using power from hundreds of nuclear plants. Apart from the dim prospect of

our building that many nuclear plants soon enough, there are also numerous

severe problems with hydrogen's nature as an element that present forbidding

obstacles to its use as a replacement for oil and gas, especially in storage

and transport.

Wishful notions about rescuing our way of life with "renewables" are also

unrealistic. Solar-electric systems and wind turbines face not only the

enormous problem of scale but the fact that the components require

substantial amounts of energy to manufacture and the probability that they

can't be manufactured at all without the underlying support platform of a

fossil-fuel economy. We will surely use solar and wind technology to

generate some electricity for a period ahead but probably at a very local

and small scale.

Virtually all "biomass" schemes for using plants to create liquid fuels

cannot be scaled up to even a fraction of the level at which things are

currently run. What's more, these schemes are predicated on using oil and

gas "inputs" (fertilizers, weed-killers) to grow the biomass crops that

would be converted into ethanol or bio-diesel fuels. This is a net energy

loser -- you might as well just burn the inputs and not bother with the

biomass products. Proposals to distill trash and waste into oil by means of

thermal depolymerization depend on the huge waste stream produced by a cheap

oil and gas economy in the first place.

Coal is far less versatile than oil and gas, extant in less abundant

supplies than many people assume and fraught with huge ecological drawbacks

-- as a contributor to greenhouse "global warming" gases and many health and

toxicity issues ranging from widespread mercury poisoning to acid rain. You

can make synthetic oil from coal, but the only time this was tried on a

large scale was by the Nazis under wartime conditions, using impressive

amounts of slave labor.

If we wish to keep the lights on in America after 2020, we may indeed have

to resort to nuclear power, with all its practical problems and

eco-conundrums. Under optimal conditions, it could take ten years to get a

new generation of nuclear power plants into operation, and the price may be

beyond our means. Uranium is also a resource in finite supply. We are no

closer to the more difficult project of atomic fusion, by the way, than we

were in the 1970s.

The upshot of all this is that we are entering a historical period of

potentially great instability, turbulence and hardship. Obviously,

geopolitical maneuvering around the world's richest energy regions has

already led to war and promises more international military conflict. Since

the Middle East contains two-thirds of the world's remaining oil supplies,

the U.S. has attempted desperately to stabilize the region by, in effect,

opening a big police station in Iraq. The intent was not just to secure

Iraq's oil but to modify and influence the behavior of neighboring states

around the Persian Gulf, especially Iran and Saudi Arabia. The results have

been far from entirely positive, and our future prospects in that part of

the world are not something we can feel altogether confident about.

And then there is the issue of China, which, in 2004, became the world's

second-greatest consumer of oil, surpassing Japan. China's surging

industrial growth has made it increasingly dependent on the imports we are

counting on. If China wanted to, it could easily walk into some of these

places -- the Middle East, former Soviet republics in central Asia -- and

extend its hegemony by force. Is America prepared to contest for this oil in

an Asian land war with the Chinese army? I doubt it. Nor can the U.S.

military occupy regions of the Eastern Hemisphere indefinitely, or hope to

secure either the terrain or the oil infrastructure of one distant,

unfriendly country after another. A likely scenario is that the U.S. could

exhaust and bankrupt itself trying to do this, and be forced to withdraw

back into our own hemisphere, having lost access to most of the world's

remaining oil in the process.

We know that our national leaders are hardly uninformed about this

predicament. President George W. Bush has been briefed on the dangers of the

oil-peak situation as long ago as before the 2000 election and repeatedly

since then. In March, the Department of Energy released a report that

officially acknowledges for the first time that peak oil is for real and

states plainly that "the world has never faced a problem like this. Without

massive mitigation more than a decade before the fact, the problem will be

pervasive and will not be temporary."

Most of all, the Long Emergency will require us to make other arrangements

for the way we live in the United States. America is in a special

predicament due to a set of unfortunate choices we made as a society in the

twentieth century. Perhaps the worst was to let our towns and cities rot

away and to replace them with suburbia, which had the additional side effect

of trashing a lot of the best farmland in America. Suburbia will come to be

regarded as the greatest misallocation of resources in the history of the

world. It has a tragic destiny. The psychology of previous investment

suggests that we will defend our drive-in utopia long after it has become a

terrible liability.

Before long, the suburbs will fail us in practical terms. We made the

ongoing development of housing subdivisions, highway strips, fried-food

shacks and shopping malls the basis of our economy, and when we have to stop

making more of those things, the bottom will fall out.

The circumstances of the Long Emergency will require us to downscale and

re-scale virtually everything we do and how we do it, from the kind of

communities we physically inhabit to the way we grow our food to the way we

work and trade the products of our work. Our lives will become profoundly

and intensely local. Daily life will be far less about mobility and much

more about staying where you are. Anything organized on the large scale,

whether it is government or a corporate business enterprise such as

Wal-Mart, will wither as the cheap energy props that support bigness fall

away. The turbulence of the Long Emergency will produce a lot of economic

losers, and many of these will be members of an angry and aggrieved former

middle class.

Food production is going to be an enormous problem in the Long Emergency. As

industrial agriculture fails due to a scarcity of oil- and gas-based inputs,

we will certainly have to grow more of our food closer to where we live, and

do it on a smaller scale. The American economy of the mid-twenty-first

century may actually center on agriculture, not information, not high tech,

not "services" like real estate sales or hawking cheeseburgers to tourists.

Farming. This is no doubt a startling, radical idea, and it raises extremely

difficult questions about the reallocation of land and the nature of work.

The relentless subdividing of land in the late twentieth century has

destroyed the contiguity and integrity of the rural landscape in most

places. The process of readjustment is apt to be disorderly and

improvisational. Food production will necessarily be much more

labor-intensive than it has been for decades. We can anticipate the

re-formation of a native-born American farm-laboring class. It will be

composed largely of the aforementioned economic losers who had to relinquish

their grip on the American dream. These masses of disentitled people may

enter into quasi-feudal social relations with those who own land in exchange

for food and physical security. But their sense of grievance will remain

fresh, and if mistreated they may simply seize that land.

The way that commerce is currently organized in America will not survive far

into the Long Emergency. Wal-Mart's "warehouse on wheels" won't be such a

bargain in a non-cheap-oil economy. The national chain stores' 12,000-mile

manufacturing supply lines could easily be interrupted by military contests

over oil and by internal conflict in the nations that have been supplying us

with ultra-cheap manufactured goods, because they, too, will be struggling

with similar issues of energy famine and all the disorders that go with it.

As these things occur, America will have to make other arrangements for the

manufacture, distribution and sale of ordinary goods. They will probably be

made on a "cottage industry" basis rather than the factory system we once

had, since the scale of available energy will be much lower -- and we are

not going to replay the twentieth century. Tens of thousands of the common

products we enjoy today, from paints to pharmaceuticals, are made out of

oil. They will become increasingly scarce or unavailable. The selling of

things will have to be reorganized at the local scale. It will have to be

based on moving merchandise shorter distances. It is almost certain to

result in higher costs for the things we buy and far fewer choices.

The automobile will be a diminished presence in our lives, to say the least.

With gasoline in short supply, not to mention tax revenue, our roads will

surely suffer. The interstate highway system is more delicate than the

public realizes. If the "level of service" (as traffic engineers call it) is

not maintained to the highest degree, problems multiply and escalate

quickly. The system does not tolerate partial failure. The interstates are

either in excellent condition, or they quickly fall apart.

America today has a railroad system that the Bulgarians would be ashamed of.

Neither of the two major presidential candidates in 2004 mentioned

railroads, but if we don't refurbish our rail system, then there may be no

long-range travel or transport of goods at all a few decades from now. The

commercial aviation industry, already on its knees financially, is likely to

vanish. The sheer cost of maintaining gigantic airports may not justify the

operation of a much-reduced air-travel fleet. Railroads are far more energy

efficient than cars, trucks or airplanes, and they can be run on anything

from wood to electricity. The rail-bed infrastructure is also far more

economical to maintain than our highway network.

The successful regions in the twenty-first century will be the ones

surrounded by viable farming hinterlands that can reconstitute locally

sustainable economies on an armature of civic cohesion. Small towns and

smaller cities have better prospects than the big cities, which will

probably have to contract substantially. The process will be painful and

tumultuous. In many American cities, such as Cleveland, Detroit and St.

Louis, that process is already well advanced. Others have further to fall.

New York and Chicago face extraordinary difficulties, being oversupplied

with gigantic buildings out of scale with the reality of declining energy

supplies. Their former agricultural hinterlands have long been paved over.

They will be encysted in a surrounding fabric of necrotic suburbia that will

only amplify and reinforce the cities' problems. Still, our cities occupy

important sites. Some kind of urban entities will exist where they are in

the future, but probably not the colossi of twentieth-century industrialism.

Some regions of the country will do better than others in the Long

Emergency. The Southwest will suffer in proportion to the degree that it

prospered during the cheap-oil blowout of the late twentieth century. I

predict that Sunbelt states like Arizona and Nevada will become

significantly depopulated, since the region will be short of water as well

as gasoline and natural gas. Imagine Phoenix without cheap air conditioning.

I'm not optimistic about the Southeast, either, for different reasons. I

think it will be subject to substantial levels of violence as the grievances

of the formerly middle class boil over and collide with the delusions of

Pentecostal Christian extremism. The latent encoded behavior of Southern

culture includes an outsized notion of individualism and the belief that

firearms ought to be used in the defense of it. This is a poor recipe for

civic cohesion.

The Mountain States and Great Plains will face an array of problems, from

poor farming potential to water shortages to population loss. The Pacific

Northwest, New England and the Upper Midwest have somewhat better prospects.

I regard them as less likely to fall into lawlessness, anarchy or despotism

and more likely to salvage the bits and pieces of our best social traditions

and keep them in operation at some level.

These are daunting and even dreadful prospects. The Long Emergency is going

to be a tremendous trauma for the human race. We will not believe that this

is happening to us, that 200 years of modernity can be brought to its knees

by a world-wide power shortage. The survivors will have to cultivate a

religion of hope -- that is, a deep and comprehensive belief that humanity

is worth carrying on. If there is any positive side to stark changes coming

our way, it may be in the benefits of close communal relations, of having to

really work intimately (and physically) with our neighbors, to be part of an

enterprise that really matters and to be fully engaged in meaningful social

enactments instead of being merely entertained to avoid boredom. Years from

now, when we hear singing at all, we will hear ourselves, and we will sing

with our whole hearts.

Comments (53)

  • vgkg Z-7 Va
    19 years ago
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    If this is the case then ANWR will be just the first of many many new holes drilled into US properties and shorelines.

  • nagamaki
    Original Author
    19 years ago
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    apologies for the longer post. If someone could delete this post i would be happy to repost with a link to the original article.

  • Monte_ND_Z3
    19 years ago
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    Goldman sees oil spiking to $105

    And I am so loving it!!

    This author will be just as wrong as all the past gloom and doom prophets who underestimate the spirit of this country and the energy industry. We will find a way to work around this as well. Meanwhile, I will be hard at work in the modern energy extraction industry keeping your car fueled and your house heated.

    All is not lost. As an example, Montana oil production is higher than it has been since 1988, due to the discovery and development of just one single oil field, using technology only fully developed in just the last 5 to 10 years. The area involved is just a minute fraction of the total area available, in just this geographical region alone, to apply this technology. Working in this field, refining this technology, is part of the reason I have been less of a presence lately. At $55 per barrel today, a whole lot more oil suddenly becomes available for economic extraction. How much more oil will appear at $105? Just wait until what we have done here spreads to the rest of the world. ANWR is an excellent candidate for the use of similar techniques.

  • nagamaki
    Original Author
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Tell us Monte, have you always been without a conscience or were you born that way?

    If a man is proud of his wealth, he should not be praised until it is known how he employs it.
    -- Socrates

  • nagamaki
    Original Author
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Here is more info to consider in this debate of what direction this country is being driven by greed, never mind the fact that it is environmentally unsustainable.

    Here is a link that might be useful: No. 1?

  • nagamaki
    Original Author
    19 years ago
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    First, let me apologize as I'm certain Monte has a conscience. However, when someone gloats at the prospect of dividing this country further based on the fact that they find themselves in an advantageous position, tends to bother my conscience.
    Tell me how are the oil companies behaving any differently than say a drug lord that raises the price of his drugs once he has the public fully addicted?
    Are the oil companies working toward solutions for pollution, global warming?
    Somehow these people have developed a false sense of security, a kind of teflon coating attached to there wealth that its a problem only for other people. They forget there is only one earth and we are all part of it.

  • Monte_ND_Z3
    19 years ago
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    I am at this advantageous position, in my opinion, primarily due to the ignorance of others. Ignorant people who seem locked in the past in terms of their vision of the energy industry of today. Things are simply not what they used to be, despite the ranting of some.

    Add to that the people who refuse to allow new oil and gas refineries to be built because they just know more pollution will result, despite the fact that newer plants will be designed to meet current pollution regulations and will be more efficient, hence less waste of resources and energy.

    Other contributors are the people who fail to realize that nuclear energy is by far the cleanest form of energy we have available today. Their failure to allow the construction of any nuclear reactors or waste depositories, primarily out of unsupported fears, has forced a continuation of our current dependency on fossil fuels. Indirectly, they have helped to perpetuate the creation of more greenhouse gases than any energy company has done.

    While you may think I have a false sense of security, I find your total lack of any apparent sense of security bordering on paranoia. If we are always on a witch hunt, looking for someone or something else to blame for our perceived ills, we are likely to start seeing witches everywhere. It is much easier than looking inward. When it comes to fingerpointing, one has to be careful. While one finger is pointing away, three are pointing back.

    While you may wonder if I have a conscience, I often wonder if you have an opinion of your own on anything, or do you primarily rely on the work of others to represent yourself? Your posts are overwhelmingly composed of the work of others, i.e., their opinions, not yours, unless of course, they are identical. I don't always agree with everything the oil and gas industry presents, so I try to compose my own opinions.

  • lilyroseviolet
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I was thinking about energy resources and what Althea presented with the link on grass pellets. Seems like alfalfa pellets as well?! :)

    I think nagamaki is right, there is some serious issues going on in the world and alot of defocuses on real issues that concern the sustainment of Human existence now and into infinity or what ever that is.

    I think we can all agree that energy is necessary.

    Do horse and buggy have access across the country to and from every town in the USA? Just a thought. Could I get a contraption that would both pull/house my horses and then like a hybrid allow the horse to tow for exercise etc....60-85 mph house.

    Supply and demand, economics seem to always be the law. Not much demand for slow means of travel.

    I cant seem to stop using gasoline in my everyday life. Or to sustain from using any oil products. At Last I must confesss, I am an oil glutton,too- like most people I know are addicted to such a life style. If we use up all the supplies of oil then perhaps we can get on with better things, more time will be available to create alternatives?

    Systems and infrastructures are based and supported by oil in most of our country. We are a nation dependent on oil. More so than any other nation (today).

    Of course, it wasnt always that way, but the potential occured and it can keep occuring as it always has since the beginning of time. I thnk we may want to just get more responsible and not abuse oil so much, you know how "dads always want to please and provide for their family" It seems the father of the country may be spoiling us and its up to us to grow up and get more responsible- its not the fathers of the countrys job to tell us. We live in a free country ( I believe its still free- and if we dont exercise that right then we shouldnt complain) Start small and change as you can. Like a diet. :)

  • althea_gw
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    After reading the Greg Palast article I posted on the other Peak Oil Thread, listening to the interview with him on DN!, and reading his article published in the latest Harper's, if the choice is between oil companies or neocons determining international policy, I'd pick an oil company any day.

  • ericwi
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    It's spring in Madison, the lakes are clear of ice, and the bike paths are busy, with walkers, powered wheelchairs, roller blades, and even bicycles. But the streets are full of cars and trucks, as well. I had to cross Atwood Ave. yesterday to vote in a local election, and it was difficult to cross the street, as usual. Regular unleaded gasoline is $2.26/gallon, & we are paying the price without protest. Very few drivers are slowing down and saving gas. Those that do are regarded as obstacles by most. The airwaves are full of ads for trucks and SUV's, but I hear that sales are down. Our local aluminum foundry is very slow these days, as orders for auto parts have fallen off. A "long emergency?" The phrase seems apt. In some ways, we are being cautious, and this is reflected in slow sales for new vehicles. But in the short term, we still have to get across town, and the car is faster and more convenient than the bus. There are several proposals for local commuter rail, and if the fuel prices get high enough and remain high, we might actually see something built.

  • wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Speaking of rail commuting, I read where Seattle has spent 220 million on light rail and haven't laid a foot of track. Now they need another simular cash infusion to get started. Kind of a turn off it seems tp other communities.

  • Monte_ND_Z3
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Likely that the instant someone proposes some type of alternative transportation like rail commuting, some other branch of the eco-fringe opposes it because of the noise, the visual pollution (one of my favorites), the off chance it might kill a few squirrels or birds, or the tracks will disturb the drainage of a fragile watershed or cut through the migration route of some protected animal. The lawsuits from all these competing agendas eat up all the funds set aside to study and built the more efficient transportation. The plaintiffs, blinded by their agenda driven tunnel vision can't see the forest for the trees, and the end result is a loss-loss for everyone.

    Sort of like the recent dilemma some game and fish people are having somewhere (I missed the location on the news), where a seal has figured out how to climb a salmon ladder over a dam or set of locks and is disrupting the salmon migration. Both species are apparently protected so they are between a rock and a hard place. They are obligated to protect the salmon but they are prevented from interferring with the seal due to its protected status.

  • Monte_ND_Z3
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Likely that the instant someone proposes some type of alternative transportation like rail commuting, some other branch of the eco-fringe opposes it because of the noise, the visual pollution (one of my favorites), the off chance it might kill a few squirrels or birds, or the tracks will disturb the drainage of a fragile watershed or cut through the migration route of some protected animal. The lawsuits from all these competing agendas eat up all the funds set aside to study and built the more efficient transportation. The plaintiffs, blinded by their agenda driven tunnel vision can't see the forest for the trees, and the end result is a loss-loss for everyone.

    Sort of like the recent dilemma some game and fish people are having somewhere (I missed the location on the news), where a seal has figured out how to climb a salmon ladder over a dam or set of locks and is disrupting the salmon migration. Both species are apparently protected so they are between a rock and a hard place. They are obligated to protect the salmon but they are prevented from interferring with the seal due to its protected status.

  • AzDesertRat
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    While many people look at spiking oil prices as a negative, I look at the positive aspects of it. I hope it goes to at least $80 myself. As much as I hate hearing about higher oil prices, I hate the mega SUV's and trucks on the road even more. I have yet to figure out why a family of four needs 2 giant SUV's in the driveway--wants maybe, needs--that's another story. On top of all that, it seems the bigger the vehicle someone gets, the stupider they drive.

    I am hoping that by gas prices going up, it will drive many consumers to look for cars instead of SUV's. While I understand the allure of SUV's a little bit, I cannot see the justification for having more than one in the driveway. I am someone who believes that market forces (ie higher energy prices) should influence the consumer's decison, not government or other groups.

    I am hoping that my dream of No SUV's will be realized someday, but I am not holding my breath.

  • kingturtle
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Az, market forces would be an effective agent alone to encourage auto makers to adapt their products to changing consumer demand IF the Gov't wasn't already subsidizing large SUV's as tax writeoffs, IF automakers could turn on a dime and start cranking out fuel efficient autos/hydrids quickly, IF oil supply & Middle East politics was only a question of supply and demand and NOT a matter of National Security, IF our love of driving big cars wasn't sending revenue to people who hate us and don't have our best interests in mind, IF Americans weren't dying overseas to protect our oil interests, IF our budget wasn't disastrously over-drawn to pay for said military presence, and IF auto maker competitors in other countries weren't already well along to adapting to anticipated conditions of oil scarcity through their Gov't support resulting in our auto-makers again having their butts kicked by foreign auto makers resulting in more economic problems as workers loose jobs and taxpayers are again asked to bailout GM, Ford, etc. Look on TV, and what product do you see advertised: big trucks and SUV's with V8 engines - they don't even have a marketing plan to draw in consumers who want a high mileage car much less a decent product. As noted in another thread on this forum, many people including conservatives believe that the energy crisis including gas is a matter of national security and that the Gov't should be more pro-active in dealing with this problem by setting higher fuel mileage standards (CAFE), creating tax incentives for people to buy fuel efficient cars, etc.

  • sylviaZ9b
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    "Likely that the instant someone proposes some type of alternative transportation like rail commuting, some other branch of the eco-fringe opposes it because of the noise, the visual pollution (one of my favorites), the off chance it might kill a few squirrels or birds, or the tracks will disturb the drainage of a fragile watershed or cut through the migration route of some protected animal."

    More likely that alternative transportation is opposed by some fly-by-night group with an environmentally-related name but a bankroll supplied by the oil industry.

  • Monte_ND_Z3
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Look on TV, and what product do you see advertised: big trucks and SUV's with V8 engines - they don't even have a marketing plan to draw in consumers who want a high mileage car much less a decent product.

    They have no marketing plan because there simply is no market for such a vehicle in the USA, or for that matter, much of the world. People who are able, will buy and drive what they want, regardless of a need, and I for one, have no desire to have the government or anyone else decide for me what I want. That failed experiment has already been tried by the "State" in the former USSR. It doesn't work.

    People want bigger vehicles, not puny hybrids and mini-cars. I am not saying it is the best thing, it is just human nature. It is a sign of success, power, prestige, etc. Just out of curiousity, does anyone know what the fastest growing vehicle class is in the Netherlands, a county that is as flat as a pancake and has one of the best mass transit systems in the world? If there was ever a place where it made little sense, it is there, but yet the answer is the V-8 heavy duty SUV, and this is in one of the most planned socialist pseudo-democracies in Europe. The scene is the same in several other European countries as well. So much for the enlightened Europeans! As we have found out here, it is difficult to mandate morality or good sense, if at the same time you still want freedom.

  • Monte_ND_Z3
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    More likely that alternative transportation is opposed by some fly-by-night group with an environmentally-related name but a bankroll supplied by the oil industry.

    That statement is so typical of extremists of any persuation, right or left, liberal or conservative, anarchist or statist, etc. Everyone who opposes them is obviously crooked, connected, and conspiring against them. I believe they call it paranoia. That is why I choose to belong to the radical middle instead.

    The record is full of all kinds of examples like my hypothesis. Take for example, the fight by certain groups to shutdown wind generated electricity to protect birds. Even if it means cleaner air that will likely save more of their beloved birds, they won't budge.

    Another would be those who oppose logging to thin and remove excessive undergrowth and deadfall in forests so that fires don't burn too hot, simple because they oppose logging of any type, or want to protect owls or lynx. They would rather see the entire forest and their animals consumed by an inferno from Hades, than yield an inch.

    In both cases above, those opposed see a conspiracy of the government and industry acting to interfere with their mission in life. Conficting agendas within the environmental movement is not a myth, much less a conspiracy. What I find somewhat ironic, is that while they relentless accuse the government of improper relationships with industy, it is still that same government that they implore to act in their interest.

  • kingturtle
    19 years ago
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    Fastest growing is a relative thing. If you go to Europe, most people have sensible small fuel efficient cars. If I have a weed in my garden today and another one grows tomorrow, then there is a 100% increase and this is the fastest growing plant too. European purchase of large autos is a small drop in the bucket compared to their overall fleet.

    You may be happy with big bloated American SUV's but I'm not. I for one am being denied a good choice - there's not a decent US auto with good fuel mileage and safety to replace my 16 year old Mazda which I bought because there wasn't a decent fuel efficient US auto 16 years ago. I'm not alone. Recent polls show that with rising gas prices, truck and SUV drivers are leaving them at home and seeking more fuel efficient autos but there is a waiting list for the imported ones, and US makers are years behind fulfilling the demand.

    Monte, what form of socialism do you call the Gov't tax incentive to purchase large SUV's like Hummers by people who don't need them or letting fuel mileage standards languish for years while our foreign competitors gear up for the energy crisis of tomorrow? The fact is we already have Gov't policy that promotes at taxpayers expense unsustainable driving habits and risk of turmoil from an unstable oil supply. It makes good sense to redirect those incentives to habits that promote good energy policy and national security.

  • marshallz10
    19 years ago
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    You miss the underlying premise, KT: incentives that increase profitability of vested interests are the bases of good old fashioned capitalism. Incentives designed to limit or delay profitability for other economic or social goals are symptoms of rampant socialism. Every red-blooded American consumer accepts that as the Gospel of State Corporatism.

  • kingturtle
    19 years ago
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    Yeah, I know - I'll never get with the politically correct equation: SUV/pharm/ag/oil subsidies = good capitalism. Energy conservation breaks = bad socialism.

  • marshallz10
    19 years ago
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    Ah, you state the case much better. But you forget that what you are calling subsidies for SUV/pharm/ag/oil are nothing of the sort -- just returning punitive taxes to those that earn the money (even though we all know this to be a largely classless society.)

  • Monte_ND_Z3
    19 years ago
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    I see two large problems with your argument. First of all, no one makes anyone buy an SUV or large pickup, etc., unless they want one, incentive or not. I don't own one, so by your logic, I must be missing out on a great big government funded windfall. If the concept of burning excess fuel is a serious philosophical problem for the majority of people, they will always have the option of not buying a gas guzzler. If enough people feel that way, the market will respond. That was my point.

    Environmentalist propoganda aside, what they claim is an issue for so many, apparently is not that big an issue. As far as surveys are concerned, few people, when asked if they support the waste of a finite resource like oil would openly declare the same. They know that what they say or write doesn't have to match their behavior after they lay down the phone or the pen.

    In regard to the increase in the number of large SUV's and the like in Europe, this trend is occurring despite onerous government penalties and tariffs designed to prevent their purchase. While the total number of SUV's in Europe is small, so is the total number of vehicles of all kinds, compared to the USA. It is the fact that people buy the large vehicles despite the taxes, tariffs, fees, penalties, etc., that shows me that government intervention or support is not the cause or the cure for the problem you see. It is up to the individual to be responsible, not for the goevernment to restrict our options.

    Second of all, is the fact that we do not have the right to own a small fuel efficient vehicle, or a SUV, or any certain type of vehicle, for that matter. It is an earned privilege to own a vehicle, regardless of the type, not a right. If an individual wants a particular type of vehicle, it should be up to the individual to make the effort to find the vehicle that suits their needs. If that is a foreign vehicle, so be it. When we decide that everyone has the right to a fuel efficient vehicle, the next socialist step is the decision that everyone should have the right to have a vehicle, period. Then the government will surely be involved in the equation once the department of social welfare starts doling out cars to everyone.

  • ericwi
    19 years ago
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    It may well be true that the SUV is currently a popular choice of auto buyers in the Netherlands. But I'm not sure what it means. I spent several weeks staying with relatives who live in southern Norway, back in the 1980's. They had a Honda. But they rarely drove it, & when they did, it was for short trips. When it was time for me to leave, they decided to drive me part way up the coast to Oslo. The trip was about 40 miles one-way. They told me that this was the longest trip they had ever taken by car.

    I suspect that the SUV owner in the Netherlands might drive the vehicle 50 miles a month. The cost of fuel will not be a big factor in the overall cost of ownership. But he will run into problems parking the thing, & roadway width is another issue. Not sure about the Netherlands, but Norway and Denmark have many secondary, paved roads, that are about 10 feet wide. I don't think that these roads will be widened to accomodate SUV's.

  • Millet
    19 years ago
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    That was 25 years ago. The whole world has changed in that amount of time.

  • Monte_ND_Z3
    19 years ago
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    Who would have to drive a long way in most European countries anyway? We have counties and states in many parts of the USA that are larger than most of the countries in Europe. Not sure that the amount of driving they do in Europe is as much a representation of their frugality or environmental conscience, as it is their geography.

  • kingturtle
    19 years ago
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    I was in Italy last summer including on the road between Milan and Venice then Florence. After a conference, a couple friends and I rented a car (a little Ford not available here in the US) and drove to these towns. What I was struck by in Italy was the vast number of motorcycles - they far outnumbered autos. In Milan, you can stand in the trendy area of town (the shopping district) and where so many of the banks are and watch the rich young lawyers and couture lovers zoom the narrow streets on their expensive motorbikes. The vast majority of other vehicles were very small cars - they were all like mini-cooper size. My co-worker friend - an ex-Russian - who is more worldly and traveled than I (and did the driving), noted that these pint-sized autos were made by the big European automakers - got huge mileage, and had plenty of horsepower, as I saw when we were on the highway at 100 mph (and being passed by everyone else). We did see a few SUV's and American cars - they were extremely rare - enough so that you would point them out and remark on them. Although vehicle size as a status symbol is a uniquely American trait - most Europeans go for well-engineered, sporty, and fast - I suspect these big autos are status symbols of the very rich and are also not the dominant mode of transportation even for their owners.

    Monte, SUV's and big American trucks are not common in Europe. That they are the fastest growing auto is a fluke of statistics - they are such a small fraction that small growth equals big increases over the past.

  • althea_gw
    19 years ago
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    I was impressed by the number of bicycles in Italy. Even more impressive was the fact that hardly anyone locked their bikes when they parked it at the train station or in the village centers. Is theft to obtain status/material posessions uniquely American (U.S.) as well?

  • Monte_ND_Z3
    19 years ago
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    I get a kick out ot the admiration some have for their beloved Europeans. Those that stayed in Europe are the most sensible, politically sound, environmentally consciensous people you could possible imagine, yet those that came to America suddenly became the evil murderers of the native population, religious fanatics, greedy capitalists, and spoilers of the environment.

    I know, you are going to say that was in the past and they have changed. That may be so, but so have we. Yet that concept escapes or is ignored by every environmental extremist who insists that the people of this country, and specifically those in industry, have less regard for the environment than our European ancestors. It simply is not true. You look at the socialist governments of Europe for the model, while I look at the individual American spirit for the hope. People resist control of any type and especially when it involves the freedom to enjoy their success. The fact that few Europeans have large vehicles may have just as much to do with the fact they pay as much as 70% in taxes in many countries and simply don't have any money to buy them. Their governments have decided they don't have the good sense to spend their own income so they take it from them without any choice and decide for them how it is spent. Do you want that kind of taxation here? If you believe that government intervention and control of our own personal decision making is a good option, that is what you will eventually get.

  • kingturtle
    19 years ago
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    Jeez, Monte where did that come from? Did you loose track of the debate or something? The discussion is about energy and alternative vehicles. You brought up the Europeans first - I was trying to set the record straight about what I saw. Did anyone say we need to look towards the European model for everything or that everything American is bad?

    Why do you have to sidetrack any discussion of energy conservation by dragging out tired old strawmen and labeling anyone who thinks different from you as some socialist bleeding heart liberal? Many conservatives are also recognizing that the energy crisis threatens our very national security and are pushing for the Gov't to provide leadership in dealing with what could be a major economic crisis.

  • Monte_ND_Z3
    19 years ago
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    And here I thought the title of the thread, "The Long Emergency", referred to one particular author's concept of what the future will hold for the USA and the rest of the world when the supply of oil runs out.

    I just pointed out that some individuals blame the looming energy problems on oil and gas companies for promoting the use of oil and gas and the automobile industry for responding to the marketplace's demand for big vehicles. I say, instead, that it is personal choice and human nature, not corporate marketplace conspiracies or limited consumer choices that have caused the average vehicle size to increase, and furthermore, that I oppose any government policies that mandate or limit anyone's freedom to choose.

    Any true conservative would be opposed to government intervention in the free enterprise marketplace. A closer look at those who claim to be conservative will undoubtedly reveal an alternative motive.

    For example, the rural states are mainly conservative with large agricultural industries. Their representative and senators favor the subsidies for farm products that can be used to make bio-fuels and the subsidized use of alcohol in gasoline because it helps their constituents and gets them re-elected. It is not a strong environmental concern that drives them as much as it is directing legislative pork to their home states.

    By the way, the same can be said for representatives from oil and gas or coal producing states. They support those industries that will bring jobs and money to their home states. The difference is that when they do the same thing as the agricultural states, they get crucified in the press and labeled as supporters of the current administration's supposedly pet industry.

    One thing I found interesting while filling out my tax forms was the lack of any tax credit or tax break I could claim for purchasing a SUV or large pickup, but I did see a tax credit for purchasing an electric vehicle or a qualifying fuel efficient vehicle. Yet, I constantly see references to the government's tax break for these low fuel mileage large vehicles. What apparently gets left out of the damning discussions by the environmentalists is those vehicles get tax breaks in the form of capital depreciation, and only if used as part of a farm operation or qualified business. There are probably legitimate work related reasons why those vehicles might be needed in those business ventures. The average individual, unless self-employed and using the vehicle for work, can not legally claim any tax break.

  • pnbrown
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Another great essay by Kunstler. Like his rants about suburbia, I find this one is pretty much right on.

    I think his predictions for our future are probably close also, except prospects for the southeast are better than he imagines. Overall low populations, a lot of farmland and potential farmland and native-born americans who still know how to work and already used to a lower standard of living are a plus, and their happiness with a trigger is largely imagined.

    At a certain point in the coming 'long emergency' government is clearly going to have to commandeer fossil fuel for critical uses like security and agriculture. Whether there will be any left for driving at any price is the question. We will probably be lucky to travel by rail. All this means I may have to choose one place to live in permanently, sadly.

    Monte, of course you know that world peak production and its ramifications are unaffected by the price per unit, so why imply otherwise?

  • ericwi
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I don't agree that world peak oil production is unaffected by price per unit. I suspect that there is much oil trapped underground, and not easily pumped out. Extracting this oil from oil fields thought to be depleted is expensive, and can only be justified by higher price per unit. At some price point, it would pay to mine oil shale out west, and/or the tar sand deposits in Canada, to obtain petroleum. Higher priced oil ought to flatten the peak, making it look more like Mt Adams, and less like the Matterhorn.

  • kingturtle
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Monte, the conservatives that I speak of include the group of 31 former national security officials including Frank Gaffney, a former Defense Department official under Reagan, Robert McFarlane, Reagan's national security advisor, and James Woolsey, CIA director under Clinton. They see our dependence on foreign oil to be a national security issue that leaves us vulnerable. They recently petitioned President Bush to spend $1 billion on lighter, more fuel-efficient automobiles and increase fuel mileage standards. Check out the thread dating from January - see especially my last post in that thread for an update of their efforts.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Leading the Green Movement

  • pnbrown
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Eric, it's crystal clear that as per-unit prices increase, it becomes more profitable for operators to extract from a given area, and hence may start extracting from areas previously abandoned.

    That doesn't add oil to the sum total of known and proven 'reserves' and so doesn't change the point in time of peak production.

  • Monte_ND_Z3
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Sorry Pat, but you are dead wrong. In the world of "proven" oil and gas reserves, only oil and gas deposits that can be economically recovered are considered proven and reported as such. Even the oil and gas remaining in depleted fields are not included in proven reserves. What you are assuming is included are sometimes referred to as probable or possible reserves, but they are not and can not be legally reported as proven reserves. The term "proven reserves" is defined in this way so that financial institutions can use them to determine the actual value of an oil and gas company's properties within the market. Oil and gas that can not be economically recovered with current technology, therefor, is not included in the world's proven reserves.

    However, changes in technology and the market price of oil and gas can make previously uneconomical deposits profitable and they can then be included in the "proven" reserves, just as Eric stated. This will have the effect of shifting the peak production or at a minimum of changing the shape, as Eric also stated. His examples of oil shale and oil sands are two of the huge potential sources that up until recently were to expensive to recover at the existing market price for the produced oil and gas. Offshore gas hydrate deposits are another large potential source that could be added to proven reserves if the price is right.

    Although not technically included in proven reserves, coal gasification also becomes more profitable as the price for natural gas increases, and as a result, the world's huge remaining coal reserves also become another source of gas.

    Technological advances have already made many old and considered depleted fields within North America productive again. Just within my area alone we have used recent advances to increase North Dakota and Montana's oil production to near or over past peak production. One of the formations currently being explored in North Dakota has been shown in a USGS study to have likely generated as much as 500 billion barrels of oil. This is a possible source on par with the Middle East deposits. However, obsticles to the potential development have been economic and technological. This is a perfect example of a "possible" reserve. We have very good evidence the oil exists, however it has just been recently, that due to promising technology and an increase in the market price of oil and gas, this source is being investigated vigorously.

  • pnbrown
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I stand moderately corrected.

    Some smallish and bit player old fields are returned to production; Some others have production, well past peak, increased to some degree (for how long?); the shale deposits, as I understand it, are iffy according to what experts are talking. Does "on par with Middle East deposits" mean that domestic production may approach that of OPEC some time in the future? If we are going to consider that 'possible' reserves will bail us out of any coming energy crisis, then there is no problem to consider.

    Does it all add up to a significant change in time for world peak? It hardly seems likely to me in comparison to the vast pace of oil and gas world consumption. A year? Two, five, ten at the outside? That's just time for the issue to get worse, more people to get spoiled, and the fall-out accordingly more severe.

  • ericwi
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    PNBrown, your question is all about quantitative analysis, of the oil supply, and of the global market. I can't give a precise answer to your question: "Does it all add up to a significant change in time for world peak?" My hunch is that oil which is difficult to extract, what Monte refers to as "possible reserves," will flatten the peak and make the supply more or less constant for about 100 years. Given that the global demand for oil is very likey to rise during the same 100 years, we can reasonably expect the price of oil, and products made from oil, to rise. If the price gets high enough, demand will fall, leading to a stable supply out beyond 100 years.

    If the paragraph above is true, it isn't necessarily good news. The implication is that we will still be relying primarily on fossil fuel for at least a century, leading to further increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide. However, higher fuel prices will result inevitably in higher transportation costs, and here in the USA, we should see a change is housing patterns. Cities, towns, and villages will become more compact. The country-side will look more rural, and there will be less commuting.

  • lilyroseviolet
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Good I can finally relax and get into some long needed gardening and yard work, now that Eric has reassured me that I will be mostly likely able to still travel by car for most if not all of my life to come.
    I've already warned my kids they better hope that someone in their generation figures out how to solve the fuel supply issues of the future needs with out harm to the environment, my generation I am not sure really what is going on progessively, sometimes its like 3 steps forward 2.5 steps back...but at least I see hope!

  • althea_gw
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    AzDesertRat, since you have a sub to The Wall Street Journal, could you tell us more about this story noted on grist.org?

    "Oil and Peace Don't Mix
    Oil strategists plan for geopolitical drama as demand increases
    It's a small world after all -- with an even smaller oil supply. That's what U.S. energy experts, oil companies, and national-security planners are concluding as they try to project America's and the world's oil demand versus declining supplies in coming years. Military planners in particular, aware of the interconnectedness of, if not all things, at least oil markets, intend to spend millions on oil-price-stabilization projects in emerging oil regions like the Caspian Sea and West Africa. One project, to cost $100 million over the next decade, is the Caspian Guard -- a network of special-ops units and police intended to secure oil facilities in the region, though almost none of the Caspian oil will reach U.S. markets. Most worrisome to strategists is the role China and India will play in increasing oil demand worldwide. Already, government-owned oil companies in the two countries are forging production partnerships with Iran and Sudan.

    straight to the source: The Wall Street Journal, John J. Fialka, 11 Apr 2005"

    (http://www.grist.org)

  • AzDesertRat
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Althea, I looked at the article--it is more of a look on how nations are trying to secure oil sources for the future more than anything else. I can email the full article to whomever requests it, so if you are interested in the full article, email me (leave your email address if it is blocked), and I will send you the article.

  • ericwi
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The internet news site I use, hosted by Excite.com, is currently running a poll on the President's proposal to stop funding Amtrak at the end of 2005. There are 7000 respondents so far:

    27%: Continue to fund Amtrak at the requested budget.
    26%: Fund Amtrak, but less than requested.
    38%: Stop funding Amtrak.
    7%: I'm not sure what to do.

    One possible conclusion: 27% of us think that the global supply of oil is finite, and that fuel shortages might appear within a decade. The rest of us, 73%, think otherwise.

  • kingturtle
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Or possibly, disgusted/discouraged that rail service for their locales was discontinued decades ago, people are tired of the budget hemorrhage and don't want to spend tax money to fund it for some other region. I'm not saying that rail service in the northeast doesn't save gas for us all or that Amtrak isn't more deserving that some other wastes of taxpayers money, but it's pretty unfair that there is little or no investment in public rail transportation in other regions that want it.

  • marshallz10
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    How much howl for rail service is there in other parts of the country? On the west coast we can't even get an extra express train to carry commuters twice a day from nearby cities serving as bedroom communities. The demand is for adding 2 to 4 lanes to accomodate the extra (and growing) 25,000 trips from and to these cities, 30-45 miles away from jobs. Soon we will all look like the LA region dominated by 8 to 12-lane freeways and vast complexes of clover-leafs. Or I suppose we can move to western Nebraska and commute four hours a day to a job in an adjacent state or distant service center.

  • TreePapa
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The problem with interesting most Americans in something like "The Long Emergency" can be summed up with another catch phrase ...

    "The Short Attention Span"

    Down the road, Western economies will doubtless go through some crises (or adjustmets, depending on how they are managed and what your outlook is) when energy supplies eventually diminish and costs increase. Ditto, but worse, for water. Whether global warming will cause great disruptions down the road has been debated extensively here (I suspect it will)

    The trouble is that most folks hardly bother to look around the corner, let alone down the road. If they can drive their cars to work, come home to a roof over their heads and food for themselves and their families, and somehow manage to take care of their healthcare needs, most folks are not gonna make big changes in their lives, let alone organize to effect changes at a national or societial level. Oh, some of us may work hard for one or two pet progress ... or conservative ... causes, but most of the time, we're too busy puttin' food on the table and dealing with our own lives to do much more than write a letter or sign a petition.

    It is only when faced with great distruption and lack of access to basic needs that most folks get really angry ... and really active. I think the best examples of this recently can be found in Latin American, esp. Argentina and Brazil. Because of crises largely caused by "neo-liberal" policies, middle class and workin' folks lost their livelyhoods, savings, retirement, and more. And they took to the streets and brought down governments. And they took over factories that had gone bankrupt and reopened them as worker coops.

    I think it will be a long time before such a crises occurs in U.S. ... but who knows?

    Peace,
    - Sequoia

  • pnbrown
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Yep, that's exactly what factories are: coops for workers rather than chickens, toiling at drudgery for chicken scratch in place of cranking out eggs.

  • shaxhome (Frog Rock, Australia 9b)
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    A flurry of activity here in Oz...companies set up to recycle previously industrial wastes (brown coal in a fashion that won't pollute-hah! The recent launching of a huge prototype craft to generate clean electricity from the ocean's waves, which also doubles as a desalination plant, more windmill companies, govts enforcing stricter anti-pollution/environmentally friendly building codes and coming down seriously hard on corporate polluters...the list goes on and is quite impressive...

    Many companies in it for the quick buck, but a real and tangible move towards solutions for the impending power crisis...even the blah-blah press is full of stories about alternative systems, from peoples' backyards to literally altering the course of rivers.

    We live in interesting times...

    Regards to all,

    Shax

  • althea_gw
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    There is a lot of howl in the Twin Cities for additional light rail service. The line that opened in Minneapolis last year has execeeded expectations and additional cars have been ordered to accomodate the number of riders. Other lines will be constructed when funding is secured.

    When an alert was issued last year regarding a threat of terrorists attacking train stations in the U.S., no one here was worried since hardly anyone knows where the Amtrak station is, or that one even exists locally.

  • wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Vgkg,

    Cold fusion reported in California lab.

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    micro sized though

  • vgkg Z-7 Va
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Wayne, here's the headline...Crystal power

    Palmtop Nuclear Fusion Device Invented
    By Michael Schirber
    LiveScience Staff Writer
    posted: 27 April 2005
    01:00 pm ET

    The nuclear reaction that powers the Sun has been reproduced in a pocket-sized device, scientists announced today.

    Researchers have for years tried to harness nuclear fusion to power the world. But its cousin, nuclear fission -- the breaking apart of atoms -- is the only method so far commercially viable.

    The latest invention is not in the same league as efforts to build complex commercial reactors. The new device creates a relatively small number of reactions, and requires more energy to operate than it produces.

    The Real Deal
    (AP) - Previous claims of tabletop fusion have been met with skepticism and even derision by physicists.

    In one of the most notable cases, Dr. B. Stanley Pons of the University of Utah and Martin Fleischmann of Southampton University in England shocked the world in 1989 when they announced that they had achieved so-called cold fusion at room temperature. Their work was discredited after repeated attempts to reproduce it failed.

    Fusion experts noted that the new UCLA experiment is credible because, unlike the 1989 work, it did not violate basic principles of physics.

    "This doesn't have any controversy in it because they're using a tried and true method,'' said David Ruzic, professor of nuclear and plasma engineering at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. "There's no mystery in terms of the physics.''

    -- Associated Press

    But the configuration is so small and simple that its creators think it may inspire unforeseen applications.

    "I certainly find it interesting that you can heat a cubic centimeter crystal in your hand, then plunge it in cold water and it will cause nuclear fusion," Seth Putterman from the University of California Los Angeles told LiveScience.

    Putterman's lay description greatly oversimplifies how the compact apparatus works.

    Specifically, Putterman and collaborators heat a pyroelectric crystal, lithium tantalite, from minus 30 degrees Fahrenheit to plus 45 in a matter of minutes. This generates an electrical charge -- 100,000 volts -- across the tiny crystal, which is housed in a chamber filled with deuterium gas, a heavy form of hydrogen.

    The high voltage is focused onto a needle-thin tip, which strips electrons from nearby deuterium nuclei and then accelerates them at a solid target containing deuterium. When two deuterium nuclei collide together at high speed, they fuse to form helium.

    The Sun also fuses atoms in thermonuclear reactions that create light and heat.

    The byproduct of the newly discovered lab reaction is a particle called the neutron. The scientists detect about 1,000 neutrons per second. Because neutrons are so penetrating, Putterman said that a hand-held neutron source might one-day be used to do geologic surveys or to look into cargo containers for nuclear devices.

    "Current neutron generators are extremely cumbersome," Putterman said. "They are about as big as a dentists X-ray machine, so you canÂt carry them into the field."

    Pyroelectric crystals could also provide a beam of ions for use as a microthruster in a miniature spacecraft. The research is described in the April 28 issue of the journal Nature.

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