Anyone Growing Julia Child or Cherokee Purple?
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Anybody growing Julia's Rose (not Childs) or another tan rose?
Comments (10)I love tan roses and I think I have them all, pretty much. Here are the favorites. Best tan roses: 1. Spiced Coffee (I got a nice one from Hortico this year, believe it or not. This rose, like most brown roses, does better grafted, not own root) 2. Honey Dijon 3. Stephen Rulo (Wisconsin Roses carries it) 4. Butterscotch (aka Jactan), the climber (available at Burlington Roses) 5. Pam's Choice (Rogue Valley Roses) 6. Irish Creme (Certified Roses - available at big box stores like Lowes, but only during bareroot season). and if you like mini's, then Smoke Signals (also from Burlington Roses) Julia's Rose is okay, but I haven't found a source to obtain it grafted. I think it would be a MUCH more vigorous rose if it was not growing on its own roots. As an own root plant, it is notoriously a weak plant, and my own root specimen bears that out. It's a rose that just wants to fade away, and I'm on my third or fourth plant because of that. Kathy...See More'Julia Child' Rose Paired with Dk. Purple Salvia
Comments (5)Patty, East Friesland is about 18 inches high, similar to May Night. I have May Night and a group of three plants is spectacular right now. They need sun. Mine are in full sun, all day long, so I wouldn't tuck them under the roses too far (but, I'm not in your zone, so perhaps the growing conditions are different enough to handle some shade). After blooming, I cut May Night (as well as Caradonna, Marcus--nemorosa varieties) back to the basal foliage. If you're looking for bloom all summer, perhaps you want to look at another salvia variety. My salvia farinacea Victoria Blue bloom from late April until frost. Those overwintered for me in all areas of my garden. No deadheading and just stunning all summer. I am familiar with Julia Child and Victoria Blue would be a great companion color. Cameron...See MoreDifference between Cherokee Purple and Cherokee Chocolate
Comments (12)So why create and market a whole "new" variety just because the skin is a different color but all else is the same? ****** Cherokee Chocolate wasn't created, it was the result of a spontaneous mutation. And the choice as to whether to market a variety is the choice of those places selling seeds. If you want to talk about creating new varieties I think we should look at all the so called black tomatoes to start with. When I joined SSE in the late 80's there were about 5 of them, that's all. Then the fad started for the blacks and now there are over maybe 150 of them listed in the Yearbook. Are they all different? Nope. There are those who have done large growouts of some of them at the same time in the same season and they aren't all unique. The names may be different but the varieties aren't all different. We could say the same about the current fad for green when ripes. Where there is demand the varieties will follow. Names have been changed at some places and by some folks to try to indicate something unique, something different. I could send you to a website where Green Grape was called Eenie Weenie Greenie and Cherokee Purple was called Native American. But I won't send you there. LOL And look at all the wonderful varieties that arose by accidental cross pollination and then dehybridization from that initial hybrid to an OP state. And the same for those that were deliberately bred. I could make long lists of both kinds. Many commercial seed sites, especially those that most folks who grow heirloom kinds go to, get their initial starts from the SSE YEarbook as well as varieties sent to them by others. And several of those sites put a spin on varieties for sales purposes. What does one call a variety such as a well known pink that has had an epidermis mutation from clear to yellow so that it's now red? Is it still the same as the original pink? Nope, it's not b'c there has been a mutation. the DNA has changed. Green Doctors is a nice green when ripe cherry and last summer two different folks got a mutation with it such that the epidermis went from yellow to clear so now those fruits look like frosted grapes. it was decided to call it Green Doctors Frosted, and I offered it in a seed offer elsewhere and seeds are now available commercially as well as in the SSE YEarbook. What do we do about a variety that has become PL where the original was RL? Many would say they are the same except for leaf form, but I've written here many times that I don't think that's a reasonable conclusion b'c there's more than one way to go from RL to PL and more than one gene can be involved. Is KBX, the PL form of KB ( Kellogg's Breakfast) the same as KB? Are Spudakee and Cherokee Purple Potato Leaf the same? So there's a difference in creating a variety either by deliberate breeding as many are doing now, or by dehybridizing and making selections of naturally crossed hybrids to the OP sate, or as a result of a mutation, either seed DNA one or a cell one called a somatic mutation, and those activities have to be separated from what you call marketing, which is not in the hands of those OP varieties that are a result of those activities. Every year I send the best of my new ones I've grown that year for trial to a few commercial places where I know the owners and trust them and how they run their businesses. it's their decisions to offer them if they want to, not mine. Do large corporations also create and market at the same time? Absolutely and the variety Kumato is an excellent example of that as well as Campari and Santa Sweets and many many more. It sure is an interesting situation, but it also occurs with many many veggies and fruits, not just tomatoes. ( smile) Carolyn...See MoreHas anyone ever tried crossing Matina and Cherokee Purple?
Comments (2)There are a lot of similar crosses that may be in limbo somewhere, along those lines, I think Stupice x CP or Brandywine. And there's Kimberly, which is a similar variety to Matina & Stupice, but maybe even better tasting, and, hard to believe, a couple/few weeks earlier than even Stupice & Matina! Mark...See Morepiratezeke
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