triple_b, "That was the first time I have even SEEN Burpees in Canada period. They would not send to Canada, not even a catalogue to torture us with. Has that changed?" Burpee states that they cannot ship plants outside the U.S. They didn't say anything specifically about seeds. You might want to contact Burpee and ask them about seed shipments to Canada. Incidentally, Thompson & Morgan carries everything that Value Seeds does, and much more as well. Thompson & Morgan sells to Canada as well as the US, but their prices are higher than Value Seeds. The central part of their printed catalog has a "Last Chance Sale" with prices comparable to Value Seeds. MM

When I first moved here, the Bluestone print catalog was my eye candy/Achilles' heel/Pandora's box. Everything I ordered from BP is planted and has thrived the past 9+ years in my various garden beds, including multiple hellebores, black snakeroot, baptisia, 'Leonard Messel' magnolia, abelia & clematis, among others. Now that I've achieved what I set out to do 9 years ago--create garden beds that attract & sustain pollinators--I'm no longer as obsessed with adding more plants/shrubs to my over-stuffed beds. I was briefly caught up by dramatic/fascinating new cultivars of old garden anchor plants (Shasta daisy, daylily, blanket flower, Echinacea, even hardy geranium). The past few years have showed me many of them are unreliable and don't perform in the garden as expected based on the catalog descriptions. Honestly I'm not sure why they send so many....oftentimes it looks like the same catalog but with a different cover, That was one compelling reason why I stopped ordering from Bluestone--the catalogs were always the same but just with a different cover (+higher prices). So long as there are new gardeners just beginning to discover their green thumbs, I expect there will be paper garden catalogs to tempt them altho' I'd expect Web-savvy gardeners will turn to the Internet rather than their mailbox. I don't have a Smart phone or any of those other technological miracles that 95% of the earth's population is so addicted to and continue (for now) to use Google to look up information when I can't find it in my own reference books. CMK - But I'm the same way with books ;-) I too have lots & lots of beat-up, dog-eared paperback & hardcover books and refuse to even consider the cost of a Kindle. I can't see any point in buying something I already own.

Some links Thompson and Morgan Swallowtail seeds Summer Hill Seeds Link text Link text Ts flowers and things Gardens North Diane seeds Pine Tree Seeds Harris Seeds Johhny Select Seeds This will be a good start.. Thompson and Morgan recently sold its us operations.. but they used to trial and introduce alot of new varieties.. lets hope they continue.. Swallowtail is a good mix, sometimes their seed count is kinda erratic, as is their germination.. but not your common varieties do they sell.. Have fun.. Silverkelt

Plant Delights Nursery is a good one. Tony Avent is a well-respected and knowledgable plant person. He and his first wife, Michelle ran the nursery and also created the Juniper Level Botanic Garden. She died of breast cancer, but he and his second wife have continued both ventures. He is a wonder. Plants are always healthy when they arrive, although some decline under my care. Sigh. I also like Bluestone for ideas, but they have become more expensive over the years, so I am stingy with purchases from them. Plant Delights