Literature examples of how complex fluazifop-p-butyl "science" actually is: The following quote is from the link below it: "While the findings support independent research, they contradict the purported herbicide characteristics by commercial sources grass selective, post-emergent, non-residual, rapid breakdown and active through foliar application only." http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V5X-4VC743F-6&_user=10&_coverDate=04%2F30%2F2009&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1343979062&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=04ca0a1795ac86555e182dcddd52018a ------------------------------------------------ Second example: Title: Mitotic changes in root meristems of Lens culinaris treated with fusilade (fluazifop-p-butyl). Authors: Aksoy, Ozlem; Ekici, Nuran; Dane, Feruzan. Authors affiliation: Department of Biology, Faculty of Science and Arts, Kocaeli University, Kocaeli, Turk. Published in: Asian Journal of Cell Biology, volume 3, pages 34-40, (2008). Abstract: "In this study the genotoxic effects of Fusilade (Fluozifop-p-butyl), a selective herbicide were investigated in the mitotic cell division in lentil (Lens culinaris Medik.) root tip cells. For this aim, different doses (0.25, 5, 1 and 1.5%) of Fusilade solns. were used. Root tips after having grown to a certain length were stained according to aceto orcein squash procedure and the no. of abnormal cells was counted in each phase of mitosis. The obtained results indicate that Fusilade had the ability to cause prodn. of a large no. of mitotic abnormalities. These abnormalities appeared in varying degrees depending on the dose. The types of abnormalities produced were laggards of the chromosomes, bridges, c-metaphase, stickiness, chromatin granulation and nucleus deformation. According to our findings we can say that Fusilade can produce neg. effects on mitotic divisions in lentil root tip cells." ---------------------------------------------- Third example: "The phytotoxicities of nine pesticides (paraquat, Xuazifop-p-butyl, haloxyfop, Xusilazole, cuproxat, cyazofamid, imidacloprid, chlorpyrifos, and abamectin) at practical dosages on photosynthesis were investigated in cucumber (Cucumis sativus L. cv. Jinyan No. 4) by gas exchange and chlorophyll Xuorescent measurements.". The conclusion section starts with: "As shown by declines in Pn after treatment (Table 2), all pesticides used in this experiment inhibited photosynthesis except for Xusiazole." The conclusion section ends with: "In conclusion, the data from this study demonstrated that pesticide application impairs the photosynthesis of cucumber seedlings. ........." http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WP8-4JDMTPV-5&_user=10&_coverDate=09%2F30%2F2006&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1344055715&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=9dad48a835781e02ab465b9579f8d331 -------------------------------------------- AND "microbial activity of a soil": http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118602142/abstract

camp, I planted some leymus candescens rye grass (I think thats what it is) in the corner, the dirt keeps running downhill covering my gravel which makes me crazy. I found this grass growing in shade at a construction site and dug some up while the men were gabbing, me and my little handy shovel. The area was marked for destruction. It will take shade and forms thick tussocks that are actually attractive when separated from weeds etc. This is very dry shade but as it comes out further plants become more visible. Hakone Grass! Not in this dreadful spot. Its beautiful but I need function and something tough, preferably native since its such a challenging area. I was really falling for the Sesleria autumnalis for the yellow green I even tried the silver leymus 'Canyon Prince' one year, its looked like big dead spiders. I donated it to the neighbors yard and its forming a nice area of blue in their backyard in no mans land (needs weeding but I resist interfering). Probably come fall, I'll place an order with SRG. I promise not to come over there with my shovel and grocery sacks and I'll look up those other suggestions, light colored would definitely be welcome. Here in the central US there are numerous ghosts towns or nearly ghost towns and empty roads you rarely see another car on, miles of grasses, abandoned fields, abandoned farms, old bridges, roads leading nowhere etc. You can make an entire activity visiting the abandoned past and not see a soul for miles all day long. People would think you were crazy if they saw you digging grasses, but I am sometimes crazy that way. I don't know what its like in Great Britain but here a person really can find treasures in the wild without feeling like an environmental abuser, in fact its easy to get lost in the overwhelming miles and miles of nothingness out in the middle of nowhere. I think sometimes we have a tendency to picture something altogether distorted when discussing subjects like plants in the wild. I've dug bluestem plants from the wild along with several other starts of plants. I never thought of it as a bad thing in certain situations and still don't, if you saw what I am talking about you'd laugh at the idea of causing harm. If you hired every person in the midwest and handed them a shovel to dig with, you'd hardly make a dent in a year's worth of digging, the very idea is ludicrous. Its other factors that are problems, like invasive plants for instance just to name one of many. I hardly think any harm is done moving a few small blue stem seedlings from a place out in "The Sticks" like Pond Creek or Lamont, Oklahoma where they are thick to another part of Oklahoma where they aren't currently growing constitutes wildlife or plant endangerment. Once upon a time they would have covered what is now my urban property and now they are growing and multiplying again, instead of a bermuda grass lawn which is hardly good for the environment. I find I cannot hardly get a visual of England in my head, I imagine lots of green and places I see on PBS like "Upstairs Downstairs' or something like that, old cities, great buildings & abandoned monasteries from the reformation period. I am sure its a distortion of reality. This post was edited by TexasRanger10 on Mon, Jul 14, 14 at 19:06

How are you all doing getting everything planted? Last year I planted all my plants when I got home from the swap but this year there was just no way with such a large number of plants and with having had no sleep. I started on Monday and have planted a little bit each day and today I am almost entirely finished. I have a few plants with some root/transplant shock, so I'm leaving them in the pots until they are feeling better. No sense adding insult to injury so I have them with saucers of water under them and in a nice shady spot where they can recover. So how are the rest of you doing? I think Heather is going to be planting till October with all the stuff she traded. Ross, that Monk's hood was just amazing size. It's in the back row of my deck garden right up next to the deck and it's so tall it sticks up almost a foot above deck level. Jeff, the native plants you gave me each have a special place. The two spicebush are planted in my little thicket of spicebush seedlings and the Kentucky Coffee Tree is up at the front of the woods so I can watch it grow. To all the people who gave me Lupines...they are planted all around my side yard and back, anywhere where they will catch a bit of sun part of the day. From the gambler's circle I got a lovely little Iris...can't recall now if it was Japanese or German but it has one purple flower on it that has just opened. Anyone remember putting a single purple iris in a green pot? If you do, let me know which type of iris it is. I also took extra virginia creeper from the gamblers circle, compliments of Bill and Gwen. They also gave me a pot of VC and a bag of cuttings to grow on my garden arch that leads into our woods. Once it starts growing up the arch it's going to look so pretty with it's scarlet autumn colour. It will be right next to 2 Wicheta Blue Junipers and some burning bushes and I love the look of that red and blue together. On the ground is bright red Cardinal Flower which will be blooming right around the time the Creeper turns red and behind them are Arrowwood Viburnums which turn yellow and Serviceberries which turn orange. It should all be a very lovely show of colour once everything is established. Heather, I've got almost everything from you planted except for the Persicaria and Pulmonaria. The Persicaria is looking really good now so it can likely be planted next week but that poor Pulmonaria has horrible shock. I've known Pulmonaria to be very sensitive to transplant or divide and it looks like crap for a bit but then it suddenly rebounds, so I'm sure this one will be just fine. Do you know the name of it? It's the one with the large, ovate, solid green leaves. I got a total of 6 ferns from 2 different people and all have been planted in my woods and are looking FANTASTIC! There's nothing like ferns to make a woods feel cool, even on a blasted hot day. :o) Anyone else not mentioned, I've already planted the plants you gave me and they are all doing well. I had several colours of Achillia (sp?) and it looked terribly wilted when I got home but a few days in water and it perked right up and is doing really well in the ground. Well, let us know how you're all coming along with your planting. Barb southern Ontario, CANADA

Well, I just want to let everyone know that Lee, my DH, is working on posting the pics that he took at the swap. They will appear once we get an account with Photobucket or the like. There are about 50 pics so get your cuppa in hand before you sit down to look at them. Karen/Bakemom-I should have had Jeanne take my photo. Lee doesn't make me look skinny! Margie/Granny 57- Isaac is all healed up. My wrist is better but I have tennis elbow that was masked by the wrist pain. The only cure is complete rest for the joint. My right elbow! Like that's going to happen with a mother of five who gardens!!!!! Who will carry those eternal baskets of laundry? Have a great weekend everyone! Plant up those last few that are still in pots. I can't plant my trumpet vines until I get my gazebo made from my 8 foot satellite dish. I have one metal/wrought iron porch support lined up from freecycle. I just can't fit buying new ones into the budget. If you all know of any stray porch supports hanging around let me know. I'll be glad to give them a new home! ~~Mimi