OK I admit it...Re: Black Prince

12 years ago

I posted a couple of times about my tomato problem...

I bought a packet of seeds (several packets actually) and one of them was labeled 'brandywine suddith'...

Naturally I was very excited about this so I alloted around 15 plants for it...naturally though, someone somewhere packed the seeds wrong.

I have basically narrowed it down and I am reasonably sure the plants I have are called 'Black Prince'.

Well I was obviously sort of upset (4 months work for something that I didn't ask for)...but today, I ate my first black tomato.

It wasn't too bad to be honest. It was different for sure. Not as sharp and 'biting' of a flavor as other tomatoes, but its not bad.

I guess I can say I am reasonably impressed with the taste of these tomatoes. I guess every dark cloud has a silver lining.

I guess thats good because I have 15 black prince plants and they are loaded down.

I guess I discovered quite unintentionally that I will probably put some form or another of black tomato in my garden from now on out.

Keep in mind I am only assuming they are 'black prince'.... they look like them and are definitely blacks, and they are the same size and everything...

And on top of that they ripened before everything else has with one exception which is another mystery tomato that came in a pack of early girl...(its a potato leaf parent of early girl)....

My early girl and my complimentary pack of early wonder have not even looked like they are changing shades yet...

And I have already eated 2 or 3 fully ripe black ones and a bunch more are blushing already...

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carolyn137
12 years ago
alamo, there are way over 100 varieties of large fruited so called blacks listed in the SSE YEarbook.

How did you zero in on Black Prince as a possibility for what you have?

Or did you look at the other varieties offered by the seed source that sent you the not Brandywine seeds and assume that any goof would be reflected by the other varieties that source was offering?

Just curious.

Carolyn
alamo5000
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12 years ago
I made a couple of assumptions about it...

1. I assumed that it had to be something else that the same company sold... IE, it had to be on their list of items for sale and was just mispackaged.

2. I looked at days to maturity relative to my other plants which I know what they are. All the other black tomatoes offered are late season ones except a few. The ones I have are ripening pretty early relative to my others. I have tons of Big Beef and the black ones ripened before them.

They are ripening roughly in the same time frame as my black cherry and I know for SURE what those are.

3. I am positive the plants are indeterminite.

4. The fruits look almost exactly like the photos of Black Prince that I have found all over the internet. They seem to match the description of the same fruit based on what I read.

Other than that I kinda figured if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it just might be a duck.

Again, I don't know where or how TGS packages their seeds or where they get their seeds from. If they do it all 'in house' then it has to be Black Prince or something similar to it.
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Well, if you love them then save the seeds but share them as "Alamo's Mystery Black".
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