you know i completely forgot that the red BOP was deciduous. that sucks :( i guess i'll just have to have one or two in the backyard for my own visual enjoyment instead. the orange jubilee does sound like a good replacement. it would be nice to have another foliage type though just to mix it up a little more, but i like the idea of orange, yellow, and fuscia blooms. cape honeysuckle might be something as well but it doesnt seem to like afternoon sun near as much as afternoon shade around here. i have been considering mixing 4 small trees along the fenceline though. something i can keep trimmed to around 15ft that would provide dappled shade and a little more privacy above the fence. i was thinking pink dawn chitalpa, vitex, or heavily-manicured mesquite (for interesting branching and to keep the size down like they do in parking lots). what do you think? below is a bird's eye photo of my house so you can see the fenceline i'm trying to cover and the direction it faces. it's an old photo from before i owned the property though. seems like it's about 5 years old or so: here's the bougainvillea in my backyard and the baby yellow bells i planted last week (they were begging to be released from their containers lol). i love the foliage mix and the electric colors when in direct sun, so i'm hoping to mimic that in the hedge so the neighborhood can enjoy them too.

Green Elephant Want List last updated 2/16/12 Part sun/shade plants that bloom early or late to provide year round color & foliage (evergreen, variegated, purple) at the camp where we live. My personal favorite color is bright rose pink and least favorite is orange. We have woodland & sun gardens. Will take cuttings or potted plants. We're looking for reusable gardening materials for our Nature Center at Camp Berachah in Auburn, WA where we have a petting zoo, edible gardens, & activities for school age children attending our before/after school & summer camp programs. Our recent storm damaged our cyclone fencing, so we're using the opportunity to rebuild & expand our program. Accepting donations. Detailed want list and/or tax receipt available upon request. We want to show kids where food comes from & have a little fun in the garden with tall tepees & plants with unique colors, shapes, & names. Reusable garden materials: stakes, cages, bamboo poles, egg cartons, milk jugs, tools Perennial vegetables: Air potato, Dioscorea bulbifera Asparagus pea, Lotus tetragonobolus Chinese artichoke, Stachys affinia Good King Henry, Chenopodium bonus-henricus (AKA fat hen, Lincoln asparagus) Sea kale, Crambe maritime (fresh seeds germinate best) Cover Crops: Annual winter types: Austrain or Magnus Field Peas Pisum arvense, Crimson Clover Trifolium incarnatum, Fava or bell beans, Vicia faba Vetch: Lana, V. dasycarpa or Common, V. sativa Small grains: cereal rye, winter wheat, spelt, or barley Non-legumes: mustard Brassica juncea, rape B.napus, Arugula, or corn salad Valerianella locusta Herbs: any culinary perennial or annual Perilla, purple (Shisho or Beefsteak plant) Annuals: bloodleaf, chicken gizzard, or beefsteak plant (Iresine herbstii) Purple Lady Calendula, pink Mirabilis jalapa Limelight, 4oclock Morning glory: red/rose/pinks or Japanese Nasturtium except 'Alaska' Nicotania, pinks esp. sensation mix or dwarf Avalon mix Nicotiana x sanderae Perilla, Fantasy Plectranthus argentatus, silver spurflower Polka-dot plant (Hypoestes phyllostachya; also listed as H. sanguinolenta) Splash Select Mix Poppy: purple, pink or doubles Snapdragon, any named Sunflower that doesn�t need staking Viola Hardy Perennials: Agastache esp A. scrophularifolia (purple giant hyssop) Aquilegia (columbine) any named variety Alstroemeria Angelica gigas Chelone lyonii (pink turtlehead) Coreopsis, esp pinks Cyclamen hederifolium Daylilies: any, but esp. spiders, pinks/purples, reblooming Delosperma cooperi (hardy ice plant) Dianthus (cheddar or maiden pinks) Dictamnus (gas plant) Doroconum (leopard's bane) Echinacea, any Epimedium Eupatorium (Joe pye weed) esp. E. dubium Little Joe or E. fortunei Pink Frost (Japanese JPW) E.greggii (Perennial Texas Ageratum) Euphorbia, esp. shade tolerant types, but like all Gaillardia (blanket flower) esp. pinks like Punch Bowl & bicolors Heuchera, any Lobelia 'Queen Victoria' (cardinal flower with dark foliage/red flowers) Pachysandra Papaver orientale (oriental poppy) esp. bright colors � can be root cuttings Phlox divaricata (woodland phlox) Primula (primrose) any, esp. P. japonica or P. sieboldi Ratibida columnifera Prairie Coneflower, that�s not yellow Rudbeckia, any commerical named esp. bicolors Tiarella Tinantia erecta, widows tears Tricyrtis (toadlily) Shrubs (esp. dwarf foundation types): Aucuba japonica (Japanese Aucuba) Berberis (barberry) esp. dwarf red, orange, or evergreen types Hamamelis (witch hazel) esp. Jolena, Ruby Glow, Fire Charm Lespedeza thunbergii, (Thunberg bush clover) Leucothoe fontanesia (Drooping Leucothoe) Lindera benzoin (spice bush) Nandina (heavenly bamboo) esp. dwarf or smaller types Osmanthus heterophyllus (aquifolium) Goshiki� Ornamental Grasses: Carex, Chasmanthium latifolium (northern sea oats) esp. variegated one, Miscanthus, & others Vines: any part sun/shade noninvasive perennial or annual sun plants with bright colors: Iresine herbstii Aureoreticulata, Formosa, Blazin Rose

Beachplant and Barbara, thanks for the info. Knowledge overcomes effort. I guess some might not make it. That is ok, I just want to give them a fighting chance. I am not sure what type they are but their name is Hemerocallis fulva, believe from doing a little reading they are evergreen. The Hybrids are Hemerocallis. roadsde daylillies Hybrids At least I know who can take the sun. It is a killer if you get it wrong. I would not want to be out in it all day. Forsythia and Butterfly bush are so pretty, maybe they will make it. I live back from the water now about 2 1/2 miles. I just went on a buying spree with cheap prices. I have purchase from this wholesaler before and everthing is growing very well. The wind is doing a number on my plants. I hope they adapt. We had a freeze line come within 200 yards of my house. How weird is that. My house was ok but driving to work as I went downhill on my street about 200 yards. There was frost over entire acres of yards. It did not even nip a single plant. Thank you lord. I am getting ready to plant 50 lbs of Bahia Grass for the sheep. I ran irrigation last Sunday and will put sprinkler heads on this weekend. Poor fellers, they are upset I swiped a 100 x 100 area from them. They are pretty smart. They would graze certain areas at certain time of the day and select what they wanted. Kind of like a buffet. They were managing their food source. Another nice acre of Bahia will make them happy. Thanks for the info. I do need all the help I can get. Remember I just startd back into gardening last November. I have gone from no plants to who knows how many. The eater and all of my other exotic/invasive roses received a special place, tree and fence line to grow on. I am growing Fortuniana rose for rootstock. Jim

Posted by Jackie Fox: I have a townhouse with a back yard that is shaded by taller homes and a large oak tree. During the summer months the small yard receives very little direct sun. I live in northern New Jersey. Kirk Johnson: Aren't Summers in your area hot? A splashing fountain would make it even more inviting. Ferns and foliage plants would make it seem cool and peaceful. Lisa Kuhlen: Sounds like my garden. Be prepared for very little in the way of blooming things. I have lots of lovely greens, but few blossoms. Here's our plant list: In the sunniest areas, echinacea, valerian, some herbs (like chives), self-heal (nice plant, but DON'T let it go to seed). Astilbe, great lobelia, variegated hostas. In the deeper shade, bleeding heart, golden wood poppy, green hostas, sweet woodruff, sweet violets, english ivy, ferns (cinnamon, shaggy shield, christmas, leatherwood). kathie hayden: I have full shade and I keep trying everything but what always works best is the hostas,coleus, begonias, IMPATIENS (its nice that something with bright colors works!) Astilbe works too. barbara: There's a nice book put out by Brooklyn Botanic Garden Record, "Gardening in the Shade". It contains lists of shrubs, vines, annuals, perennials, bulbs, moss, ground covers, etc. d. scott: I recommend "The Natural Shade Garden" by Ken Druse. He includes several landscaping designs for shade gardens including the one behind his N.Y.C.townhome. ruth anne: Check out 'Fine Gardening Magazine's' book called "Garden Rooms". also "Garden Design Ideas" and "Great Gardens". They have designs such as you describe that are to die for!! I think a spot such as yours would have so much potential as the oft desired "secret garden"!! Shade Garden under High Deck Posted by Mary Ellen Mulhern - 6: I live in Southeastern Pennsylvania and have a high deck off the first floor. Weeds grow under the deck so I assume plants would grow as well. It is definitely a shady area and the soil seems dry. In the fall I planted hosta around the outside perimeter. What types of plants can I grow under this deck, which is fairly large? What about ferns? Bill Hoppe (DC area Z7): If the bottom of the "header" and the joists that hold up the decking planks is at least 8 feet above the elevation of the space under the deck, and if that space is directly accessible from the basement via a regular door or a sliding glass door assembly, why not use the space for more practical purposes? I would hate to see it go to waste. You could pave part of it, surround that with plantings that tie in with the rest of your garden, and leave a 4' wide opening for a walk/path that leads out to the garden and, voila, you have a nice seating area! Dressing up the posts that hold up the deck with some lattice work against which you can grow all kinds of vines (like clematis), would add a nice touch. Sue Vanderhoff - 5: I also have a high deck. I have used lattice on the 3 sides. One piece is hinged so I can get to it. I have black plastic sheeting under it and I use it for storage,(wheelbarrow, leftover straw mulch etc.) In the summer morning glories grow on the 3 sides. Mine faces west with sides north south. I have a lilac bush on the south side, flowers on the west side and the stairway north. Gail Trimble Z7/Ga: We have a high deck also, but our plans are to put a jacuzzi underneath. Currently it has pinestraw on the ground and stores the oversize patio chairs that don't fit ON the deck!