@bananafan, check this out, it has some nice pix of fruiting jujubes, as well as important horticultural details. Like mulberries, jujube flowers and fruits on new growth, so you could literally carve it up as you see fit. As the two last links show, you could grow them close together, simply by cutting off lateral branches to about 6 inches long, and they will grow like columnar italian cypress trees, which grow elegantly slender and upwards. The 6-inch long lateral branches will then thicken, and form fruiting spurs. Most jujube growers would let their columnar jujubes grow to a manageable 10 feet tall, then chop off any vertical shoots, and just let the lateral shoots send out fruiting branches for easy access. This practice also maximizes the trunk strength to height ratio. Not that it is much needed, since a 10" diameter jujube trunk will easily support one end of a hammock(jujube wood provides one of the world's strongest lumbers) http://www.wildlifegrowers.com/QDMA_Jujube_article.pdf http://www.papayatreenursery.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1157&g2_GALLERYSID=8c777c1f662328237ae4db83f8c0d1c6 http://www.papayatreenursery.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1682

rhome- For now, I had thought nix the sink in the bar area. We have one now and only use it to fill with ice and stick a few beers/sodas in it. With a new beverage fridge shouldn't need to do this anymore. My husband is supposed to use that sink to make the coffee...but he won't! He walks over to the big sink, no matter how much I complain. Strange..but I guess I should just be happy that he likes to make the coffee! However, my father, who will doing all the work except refinishing hardwoods and installing granite, seems to think a large house with a big kitchen should have a second sink "for resale" (we have no plans to move in the forseeable future). Since we have barely used the one we have in 10 years, I don't get it. Perhaps its not in the right spot, or I'm not thinking outside the box on how a second sink would be used. Any thoughts? Is the seating you are concerned about the three chairs that would be on the sink side of the island? I don't have her scaled plan yet as she is tweaking, but I think the KD had a good 5ft b/t island and cabinets here. I did think about that before she came, and currently 98% of my workspace is between the sink and the cooktop and that side/corner of the island. I rarely spread out any further down than the dishwasher area. If I need more space I tend to take over more of the island. BUT, I am going to take a closer look at the final plans to see exactly where the seating starts in relation to that run of cabinets. Here is a pic of the VERY fast, off the top of her head drawing she did of new wall with mudroom and doorway removed. The glitch is that they no longer make my exact cabinet door so we need to fill in with a piece from the current island, a beverage fridge and then up top, items that have no door profile. I like that the bar area is no longer cramped and that the micro is pulled close into the bottom of the U. I considered if the Wall Oven should switch with the micro area, but: 1) There are light switches on that outside pantry wall that we will need to access b/t upper and lower cabinets. Can't do that if wall ovens are there. 2)the bar run seems plenty large now 3) I like the micro more convenient than the Wall Oven 4) This is probably strange, but I think every kitchen NEEDS a "dump" area so at least its all in one spot. I try to tame it with a charging station, a standing file for papers and baskets for keys and other small items. You have great taste and ideas so I really appreciate your time and thoughts!

This is my first year ordering roses mail order except for maybe 10 yrs ago having a horrid experience with Jackson Perkins. I ordered from RVR, Heirloom, Rose Petals Nursery and DA so far. RVR= sent well rooted bands ready to bump up to a gallon size right away. When I was potting them up outside a few potato bugs fell out of the pots and scared me lol. My Key West hens, who were supervising, all fought over who could gobble them up first :) I love those hens! Heirloom =sent well rooted band but I kept it in the band pot for a few weeks but then planted it into a 2 gallon because it took off so fast. I still have a few more coming from them. Rose Petals Nursery= sent in gallon sized pots. WOW so awesome! It is also fairly close to me so the plants were very fresh. I need to pot them up to a larger size this weekend. DA= I haven't got this order yet so will update when they come in. ~SJN

It looks fine, keep in mind they will use a temper to make sure entire area is compacted...