What Tomatoes will produce in 100+ heat
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Comments (7)I hate to rain on your parade, but this is a question that doesn't appear to have a particularly satisfactory answer. In my area, I have come to the conclusion that the best I can do is get my crop in the ground as early as possible, without planting them into cold ground. AND to give them the very best possible growing conditions: plenty of organic soil amendments like manure dug in deeply, plenty of space between the plants, plenty of water, timely additions of fertilizer, and MULCH to keep the soil as cool and moist for as long as possible. I grew 17 varieties this year. The best tasting and most productive ones did pretty well the same, regardless of the hype. The early ones were not all that early. The so-called heat tolerants were not that much different. In early July, I took cuttings from my favorites and rooted them in 4 inch pots. I set them in the ground this week in an area that gets some shade in the afternoon. I am HOPING to have a fall crop, but that will depend on the amount of rain we get, and just how hot it gets. If the temps stay below 93 or so, I am hopeful I'll get some. If not, well, there will be collards and kale to plant in their spot later. Since I do live in a hot climate, I will give you my list just FYI. I will rate them #1: very productive (for an heirloom) and tasty. #2: So tasty that I forgive them for not being as productive. #3: Either not productive or not tasty enough for me to want to grow them again. Big Beef: one of 2 hybrids I grew. Not as tasty as the heirlooms, but better than Big Boy, Better Boy, etc. I will grow it again. It was more productive than the heirlooms. Black Krim: #1 Aunt Ruby's German Green #2 Brandywine: #2 Tropic: #1 New to me this year. Can't see that it's any better in the heat than others, but it's a winner nevertheless. Amish Paste: #3 Matina: #3 OSU Blue: #3 Mortgage LIfter: #3 Green Zebra:#1 (very thin skinned, so damages and rots easily. but YUM and productive) Sungold: #1 My other hybrid. I would grow this above all others. Black Cherry: #1 Juliet #3 San Marzano: #3 Tommy Toes: #1 Isis Candy: #1 Evergreen: #3...See MoreTomatoes That Are Producing Well
Comments (16)Kristy, I knew when I told you that you needed bigger cages that all we had to do was wait, and you'd see why I said that. It always amazes me how gigantic tomato plants get each year and they do it in only a few short months. Without knowing if the tomatoes are 100% green when picked or if they had reached the breaker stage, it is hard to know how to answer this question, but I'll try. Research has shown that you can pick green tomatoes when they are at the breaker stage and you can ripen them indoors and they'll taste just as good (or, at least, almost as good) as those that are vine-ripened. The breaker stage is that stage at which they are just starting to have the slightest hint of a non-green color, often it is sort of pinkish-white or a yellowish-white, but it depends on the variety. If you pick them while they are too green and have not yet reached the breaker stage, they won't ripen naturally. If you pick them while they are too green and are not going to turn ripe naturally no matter what, sometimes you might be able to 'force' them into ripening by putting an apple into the brown bag with them. The apple gives off ethylene gas that speeds up their ripening. So, I think if you pick them once they are at the breaker stage, you can ripen them inside without a huge difference in their flavor. I'd rather let them vine-ripen because I think it gives them a fuller, richer flavor, but they have a perfectly acceptable flavor when picked at the breaker stage. Personally, I just prefer better than "acceptable" flavor....I want outstanding to excellent flavor and you don't always get that with tomatoes ripened indoors after being picked at the breaker stage. It takes experience in watching tomatoes change color to learn what the breaker stage is. So, as a new gardener, one thing you have to be careful about is that you're picking them at the breaker stage and not picking them too soon. For what it is worth, for everyone suffering the endless days of waiting for some greenies to turn to their ripe color, the darn things WILL ripen more quickly inside than they do outside on our 90-100+ days. But, it only works if don't pick them until they've reached the breaker stage. Please note that I could say "turn red", but I just use the words "turn to their ripe color" because a lot of us grow tomatoes that are not red when ripe, but that are other colors including black, pink, yellow, orange, white, purple or bi-colored or tri-colored. There are even some that are green-when-ripe that more or less stay green or turn a yellowish-green or an amber shade with green at the end or in streaks. So, Kristy, if your tomatoes had reached the breaker stage, what you did was not a mistake. If they are not yet at the breaker stage, you might be able to force them to ripen using the apple-in-a-bag trick. If they were picked pre-breaker stage and won't ripen, you can make fried green tomatoes, fried green tomato sandhwhiches or chow-chow (green tomato relish) from them. With some tomato varieties, I think it doesn't much matter if you pick them at the breaker stage, and with other varieties I feel like I definitely can tell the difference in the ones I leave on the vine to ripen. In the overall scheme of things, I might give most breaker-picked tomatoes a "B" on an A=F scale and most vine-ripened ones an "A" or "A+". Since everyone's tastebuds vary, you'll just have to try it different ways and see what works for you and see if you like them better when left on the vine to ripen or when picked at the breaker stage. Sometimes, Kristy, (and I am not above doing this myself) it can be to your advantage to pick the green-breaker ones just before a summer 'cold front' rolls in or during a cool spell. That way, you're removing a portion of the fruit load which encourages the plants, in concert with cooler temperatures, to form more fruit. This is an area in which the whole commercial tomato industry has gotten it wrong for so many years. They pick their tomatoes often before they are at the breaker stage, and they do this because really green tomatoes have a long shipping and shelf life. Then the tomatoes are exposed to certain chemicals that turn them red. However, even though the tomatoes are the correct color, they aren't ripe. So when you eat a red grocery store tomato that has poor flavor, it is because it was artificially reddened, but NOT ripened. Because the tomatoes were picked before the breaker stage, they don't have the full, rich flavor and texture of ripe tomatoes. That's why most grocery store tomatoes taste so bad and have poor texture. I won't even buy a grocery store tomato. I'd rather not have a tomato than to have a bad one. If the commercial growers/shippers, etc., could wait a few more days and pick at the breaker stage instead of when tomatoes are almost to the breaker stage, more of America would have a chance to see what a tomato ought to taste like, but it is unlikely the happen. Dawn...See MoreTomatoes are not producing
Comments (0)I am growing tomatoes as well as several other vegetables and fruits in my garden. What concerns me the most is that for the most part my tomato plants are not producing. That is all the big tomato such as the Big Boy. I have a cherry and pear tomato plant that are producing but nothing off the others. They have had blooms but no tomatoes. My husband did plant them pretty close together. I live in West TX and the temp has been close to 100 since about the first of June....See MoreWhy is one tomato producing and the others are not?
Comments (35)I live in Zone 7, north of Abilene Texas. I agree that three is not enough. I was just trying out the three varieties that Walmart had to see what they would. The truth is that I started all my plants in February in anticipation of getting my Gh covered in March, but then my daughter had difficulty in childbirth and my wife and I had to go and care for our new grandson for two month while our daughter recovered. I left my older son at home to care of the new plants but he works as a paramedic and pulls shifts from 24 to 72 hours and comes home dead on his feet. Needless to say, the starter plants were not cared for and died. By the time I got home it was April and I just bought what ever Walmart had growing and stuck it in the ground just to have something growing until I could get the cover on the Gh. So, long story short, I am not where I wanted be at this time and am just trying to make do until better weather. The only planting space I have is the GH, and I want more then just tomatoes, so I have to proportion my space. I have never been able to grow vegetables in the open here because of the harsh and extreme weather and extremely limited water resources. This is a learning year for me. I appreciate all advice and assure you that it is all going into my head as I devolpe my planting plan. My hope its to put this GH unto full-time production at some point (for personal and family food). I know I have a lot of learning to do before then....See MoreUser
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