or snap pix and post them here or in the name that plant forum ... but then.. the camera is probably with the maps and cant be found.. lol ... or simpler.. google both names and flip to the images side .... did the first one for you ... link below ... ken ps: best hint: get a good old fashioned clip board.. and a nail ... pound nail in garage wall ... hang clipboard on nail ... and always return it to the garage after drawing on it ... when i garden.. the first trip is always to the garage to get the saw.. and shovel.. pruning shears whatever.. so why not keep the clipboard there.. once ANYTHING comes in the house.. its lost forever ... Here is a link that might be useful: Rose Queen salvia

I think that you would be fine either way, I have both salvias and veronicas in a bed along the back of my house that recieves about the same (6 hours of sun) conditions, and both in a full sun, no possibility of shade, bed and all are fine. The only risk I see is for a chance of powdery mildew to set in on the veronica, I have noticed some on the veronica in part sun whereas the salvias show no sign of it. It only seems to be a problem in the late summer when the sun angle is lower and the weather is damp. Not enough of a problem to move them, just an observation if that helps. Good luck...Helen.

Hi Neil: I can only tell you my experience so far. The first year I WS'd on April 19 and had germination by April 27, 10 plants from 10 seeds, but the plants took forever to grow. It was June 23 before they were large enough to plant out and they sat there again forever until August. The result was the late blooms as shown in the pic. above, and great difficulty getting viable seeds. The second year I decided to grow them indoors under lights. I usually start them in the warmth of my heat vent, but nothing happened after 7 days. I then moved the little pot under the lights and in 2 days had sprouts. I had to do a few batches to get my quota of 10 seedlings (the late bloom meant many non-viable seeds) but they all showed up in 2-3 days after being put under lights. I was able to plant out a bit earlier and had my first blooms on Aug 1. This year I started my seeds between coffee filters (April 21) and did the 'under the lights' test. Seeds did nothing for 9 days, then put under the lights and germination in 2 days. Germination was again low (25% and 65%) to get my 10 plants but they are now 3 inches tall and will be planted out this weekend. I am very pleased with this result. So my advice is to try to start them indoors if possible so you can get a long enough growing season to give you enjoyable blooms and enough time to set viable seeds. I was always sceptical of instructions which said 'needs light to germinate' as I thought it was obvious, but they seem to need it whether you WS or grow indoors. I would also sow very lightly - just a sprinkling of soil over the seeds. These plants are really incredible: humming birds will fly in front of them for long periods. A certain pair would actually 'dance' in front of them daily. As far as soil is concerned they grew in a narrow bed of 're-claimed lawn' that was amended with a little composted cow manure. They were in full sun until late afternoon and were not fertilized in any way. You may also want to pray for a warm, early spring!!! You are in Zone 5a USA which is probably warms up a bit earlier than we do. If you get seedlings from your present sowing, you will probably get a late bloom, but viable seeds may be a bit 'iffy'. But go for it - they are worth the trouble. Good Luck!! Northerner.

Most pinks are really really light magentas, not light true reds. Rose is an intermediate intensity. Salvia greggiis with flowers in the pink range include `Pink Preference', Big Pink' and `Dwarf Pink'. `Wild Thing' definitely is more lavender in hue, though not as lavender-tinted as the lycioides x greggii forms `San Isidro' and `Purple Pastel'. WT has the same hue as S. muelleri or `Diane', but much lighter in saturation. I'd need to do a measurement with the color charts from the Royal Horticultural Society to be sure. Anyone with Photoshop can do color experiments using the Color Picker