Hi Sam: Your setting doesn't allow e-mail, so I exchange info. here. Thank you for posting "Environmental reasons for NOT spraying .." in the other forum. In that thread, MichaelG accused Kimmsr of "being divisive and argumentative". I googled threads dating way back in Organic Rose, and found THAT'S NOT TRUE. Years ago, MichaelG accused me of being a "troll" and "fictitious character" ... then later apologized. There are Bayer-corporate promoters who do anything to shoot down organic posters. If you hang around in regular forums long enough, you'll find that the old-timers will put anyone who do things differently "on trial". The corporate sleuths are very aggressive, they even come into Organic rose to recommend Bayer spraying and chemicals to newbies. That's why I post in Organic rose to defend the guidelines that Gardenweb established for this forum.