Organic Treatment for Rose Midge?
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I'v Had It!-Spraying Pesticides for Rose Midge
Comments (46)We had a pretty serious midge problem the previous two years here in the cutting fields, but this year we went totally organic and I've seen very little midge. I don't know if there's something we have that actually kills the little buggers or what that we'd been killing off and now they've come back, but it's been great not seeing those burned tips so often! We change a few months back from organic sprays to only using Actively Aerated Compost Tea, and roses we've not been able to get for cut in a couple years suddenly started producing good roses (Elina/Peaudouce, Geoff Hamilton, and others), plus it seems to have eliminated botrytis on our white roses. Powdery Mildew (our worst summer disease here) has been eliminated on the vast majority of roses, and has been losing hold on the roses that did have it, it's actually been curative in some cases (where foliage that had PM cleaned up). In reading that book "Teaming with Microbes" it said that the AACT using fungally based compost can actually kill nematodes because the good fungus in the soil around the roots will strangle the nematodes (they had an actual photo of that occurring). We don't have the bad nematodes that I've ever seen, but I'm wondering if maybe that same fungus kills the midge larvae, or something like it does. All these good fungus and bacteria are eliminated by chemical sprays, particularly the good ones right at the roots. They are also killed by strong chemical fertilizers. I don't really know for sure if this has been the cause for a much better rose year for us, but it does make sense, and it's a heckuva lot cheaper to do for us, even including the cost of the Compost Tea maker we bought. Plus, the crew doesn't fuss about spraying, and in fact are fairly enthusiastic about it (for our crew, LOL). Our rose production has increased about 44% over last year, some of this is due to newly planted roses getting big enough to cut, and stopping some excessive pruning practices in the past (we stopped that 2 years ago). --Ron...See MoreRose Midge can use Bayer now?
Comments (6)Since I haven't had to deal with midge, I can't tell you what to do, but I strongly suggest you avoid the Bayer products that are labeled 3-in-one, 2-in-one, or all-in-one--unless someone (with knowledge) specifically recommends one of them for this treatment. In most cases, these combo Bayer products are, at best, a waste of ammunition (curing everything your rose doesn't suffer from) and, at worst, actually harmful to Mother Nature and detrimental to a sane and safe and effective garden health program. I'm serious--avoid Bayer combos as a general rule. However, there is a Bayer insecticide (no combo stuff in it--just an insecticide) that might be helpful, but you would have to read the directions to know for sure. I'm sure some more knowledgeable person will come along shortly and help you out. Good luck. Kate...See MoreRose Midge - Can we share our strategies pls?
Comments (107)Jim I have been racking my mind over your roses. You have 2 of my finest roses and it makes me mad that they won't grow for you. In all my years theres one thing I know for sure midge hates dry. A couple of years ago that is exactly what I did after bringing home some midge infested plants from Chicago. It does work to let the soil dry and will kill the midge the only trick is not to bring midge back into the garden again. We are having one of the driest year on record here. The midge are not smiling nor biting my roses. I'm certain that many have been killed off. Not all of them thou because I have had to water to keep things alive....See MoreDyna-gro Pro-tek or Maxicrop for rose midge?
Comments (36)Dave- I haven't used it yet. CoriAnn uses it. I'll ask her. I'll let everyone know if I see any improvement to anthracnose after I foliar spray since I don't have much blackspot. I'll also see if it helps with aphids since I have these too. Patty- funny in a not funny, haha, way! I think "ironic" might be the better word. Is anthracnose as bad a disease as black spot? My roses look awful but they still have their leaves unlike with bs. And some of the Kordes are fine as is Julia and my DA Windermere and Queen of Sweden. I'm still learning. Since it doesn't cause complete defoliation I'm thinking (hoping) it might be the lesser of two evils. I haven't sprayed yet, partly out of laziness but mostly out of concern for the environment. So many of these products are harmful to aquatic life. Our property abuts a designated swamp. I'd hate to cause damage to the eco-system there. My hydrangeas and hostas look fine so it doesn't seem as bad as yours. I'll let you know when I use the Pro-tekt. With luck it just might do what it says it does. Wouldn't that be great :-) Kelp4Less has silica powder available for hydroponics. According to the info it has recently been approved asa plant nutrient recognized by science. It's helpful for those who especially grow in raised beds or pots which CoriAnn does. I have bought from Kelp4Less. They're a bit pricy but have great service and organic products. The video is a bit long but here's the link if anyone is interested- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB5pBCdnMTE Dave- it seems according to the Kelp4Less is used as a drench not a foliar spray. It might be because they are geared more to hydroponics though. Their's is neutral ph. There are 9 reviews by buyers that say they see improvement in stem strength, leaf strength and disease resistance. I don't think CoriAnn gets much disease in CA where she gardens but she does get extreme heat and uses Pro-tekt for heat and drought stress. Sharon...See MoreRelated Professionals
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