New roses in your garden & old favorites?
I got my first bloom of Barcelona (Francis Dubreuil), it was too small to photograph, so I pinched all 4 buds to promote root growth. The scent was fabulous: spicy Old rose, similar to Gruss an Teplitz .. the color was deep red.
I got my first bloom of Rose du Roi today, the scent is lesser than Francis Dubreuil. It blooms lower on the bush, typical of Old Garden roses. See picture below of Rose du Roi, center red, next to purple Old Port rose (left side). The orange blooms are Crown Princess Magareta. Upper red bloom is Stephen Big Purple, and lowest red bloom is Wise Portia (an Austin rose). 2 Pinks are Evelyn, and salmon-pinks are Christopher Marlowe.
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9 years agoFantastic Straw! Those blooms all look great! Fruit Salad for the nose! :-) Only new rose we got lately was Thomas Affleck...
Even though our Mister Lincoln has been very fussy and I placed him in a container so I can move him we do like his red fragrant blooms... Hopefully I can get him to bloom more in a container and get the blooms to last a bit longer on the bush...
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Comments (16)I wanted to learn about old roses, so I planted a bunch, from many different types -- whatever I could fit in my tiny yard. So I have a few each of Bourbons, Chinas, Damasks, Gallicas, Hybrid Chinas, Hybrid Perpetuals, Damask Perpetuals, Mossy Perpetuals, and two species ancestors -- R. moschata and R. fedtschenkoana. I also have a few each of different types of modern roses, such as Floribundas, Hybrid Teas, Hybrid Musks, Polyanthas, and whatever you want to call David Austin's roses. This may sound like I have hundreds, but I don't. In some cases, it's just two or three or four of each class. Then, since I ran out of room, I asked if I could plant some date-appropriate roses at an old church cemetery in my town. Great! So starting with the once-blooming oldies, I got to plant Albas, Centifolias, Mosses, Hybrid Chinas, Hybrid Bourbons, Gallicas, Damasks, and some old-but-not-OGR tree-climbers. So, smithdale1z8pnw, what's an OGR? Well, roses were divided into three basic categories -- Species, Old Garden Roses, and Modern Roses. The dividing line between OGRs and MRs is often repeated as being 1867 -- but that's only part-true. It's not when the rose came out, but when its class came out. So while the Tea rose 'Rosette Delizy' came out in 1922, it's still an OGR because the Tea class was around before 1867. Polyanthas as a class were recognized after 1867, so they're technically not OGRs but rather MRs. So even though the Polyantha rose 'Perle d'Or' (introduced 1883) is older than the aforementioned RD, PdO is considered a Modern Rose because Polanthas were introduced as a class after 1867. Why the year 1867? That's the year 'La France' was introduced, and was later granted a new class -- Hybrid Tea. While a few older hybrids between Teas and Hybrid Perpetuals were around from before, this was the first one considered different enough that it didn't easily fit into either Tea or Hybrid Perpetual -- so they came up with a new class. And that was deemed the dividing line between the "old" and the "modern". But there are Modern Rose classes which are embraced by fans of the OGRs. Why? Because even though they came out after Hybrid Teas, they retain an "old charm". Hybrid Musks (Modern Rose class) were bred to emulate and expand upon Noisettes (Old Garden Rose class). Polyanthas (Modern Rose class) were sort of like hardier Chinas (Old Garden Rose class). And then David Austin came along, and the "old flower form" became popular again -- even if the plants behave more like Modern Roses. Now, here's the rub -- where does "antique rose" fit in? I think of the word "antique" as referring to something at least 100 years old -- and I'm not alone in using the 100-year mark for the definition. Since 1867 was 150 years ago, that means a lot of Modern Roses are also antique roses. And since a few breeders continued to dabble with the oldies, we have some Old Garden Roses that are too young to be antiques. So, in my book, 'La France' is an antique rose (i.e. over 100 years old), but also a Modern Rose (i.e. a Hybrid Tea), and not an Old Garden Rose. Meanwhile, 'Rosette Delizy' is old, but not quite yet an antique rose -- give it another five years for that title. Being a Tea, it is still an Old Garden Rose and not a Modern Rose. And, to those of you who are curious to dip your toes into the OGR pool, I'd suggest learning a little about the general habits of each class before falling in love with a picture of a beautiful bloom and buying the plant. For example, if you don't get much Winter chill -- or if Summers come in hot and fast -- Gallicas and Albas will likely be disappointing, but you'd do well with Noisettes and Chinas and Teas. The classes among OGRs are a bit more ancestry-based than are how Modern Rose classes are put together, so that makes it a bit easier to figure out if something would do well in your climate. Oh, and don't be afraid of once-blooming roses -- think of them as azaleas or lilacs, mixing into the garden as "flowering shrubs", and you'll understand how to use them. While their annual flushes may last only a few weeks, they'll produce at least as many blooms in that period as similarly-sized repeat-blooming roses would all season. Also, generally OGRs will perform better as bigger plants than what you may be used to if you've grown mostly Hybrid Teas and Floribundas. They can be trained and pruned, but not generally as harshly as is recommended for "show roses". There are so many beautiful roses out there, it'd be a shame to miss out on so many because you want to grow "only Modern Roses." Or, for that matter, "only OGRs." :-) ~Christopher...See Morestrawchicago z5
9 years agoI remember Mr. Lincoln as being a tall & elegant bush at the rose park. It has a nicer red-color than my Firefighter. I like everything about Firefighter, except for the dusky red color. See below:
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9 years agoOur Mister Lincoln is own-root and on the short side.
When he was in the ground the tallest Mister Lincoln ever got was 3ft-3.5ft...
Now ML is in a large container...
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Thought you would want to try some of the tomato, love that Cherokee Purple, was my favorite last summer,
Enjoy both your gorgeous Mister Lincoln and Thomas Affleck, Jim, thanks for sharing!!
Dear Straw, lucky roses of bouquets under your TLC, love & enjoy the eye candies, thought dusty red of Firefighter is very attractive color too! Wish I could smell the scent!Here are roses in my Southern CA garden: Mister Lincoln, Touch of Class, Rainbow Sorbet, Bronze Star, Tiffany, Munstead Wood, Prospero, Endeavour, Liebeszauber, small mauve Love Potion right below Bronze Star. (Top to bottom, left to right, in order):
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9 years agoHi Seaweed: I like both: Your Just Joey has many petals, and your Bronze Star with the deep orange color. I have King Arthur floribuda ... with orange blooms, will post when it opens.
My favorite orange is Versigny, fruity scent is even better than Pat Austin. Roses pictured below: Orange Versigny, red Firefighter, pink Liv Tyler, and white Bolero. Bolero bloomed early in May, same time as Austin roses. They were fertilized with equal ratio of gypsum to sulfate of potash:
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9 years agoHi Seaweed: I would love to see your pic. of Sombreuil, since my zone is too cold for tea. Bolero smells like water-lilies, but NOT as good as its parent Sharifa Asma. New red rose is Gruss an Teplitz, one spray can perfume the entire room, a nice old-rose scent. I could not eat in the kitchen since the rosy-scent was so strong, had to move that bouquet elsewhere. Purple is Old Port, and white is Bolero floribunda:
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9 years agoAn old favorite is Annie L. McDowell, 3 pink sprays make fast bouquet. The scent is unique: lavender & lilac. My all-time favorite scent is Yves Piaget seeding (leftmost red) ... the most delicious grape juice & red wine & sweet pea ... so satisfying !!
I have too many perfumy & baby-powder roses that I lean toward the yummy fruity scents. I never get sick of smelling Yves Piaget seedling, a notch better than Golden Celebration, plus Yves seedling is 100% thornless.
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9 years agoHi Jim: Glad you like that fragrant bowl: Yves seedling (left red) has the best scent, next is Sonia Rykiel (big pink) with raspberry rose scent.
Another yummy bouquet: Orange Versigny below is 3rd rank in scent ...will have to order than again from Roses Unlimited (it died this past winter, poor location). Versigny smells better than freshly-baked apricot pie !!
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9 years agoRoses picked this Sunday, June 29: Orange blend VooDoo, white star Madagascar Jasmine.
Pink edge top Princess de Monaco, center Nicole Carol Miller (new rose this year), Left 2nd row is Maggie Barry.
Bottom left, Our Lady of Guadalupe, then purple Angel Face.
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9 years agoAnother shot of Nicole Carole Miller, my new rose this year. This bouquet was picked July 2.
top, L 2 R: Red Masterpiece*, Nicole Carol Miller*, Deja Blu (mini)
2nd row: Heirloom, mini pink*, Yves Piaget, the Squire* & C R Mackintosh
3rd row: Lavender Pinocchio, & Why not Cherise.
* indicated from yesterday's cut rose
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9 years agoThank you, Seaweed, for that wonderful bouquet from your garden of 160+ roses. I love the dark-pink colors of Yves Piaget and Why Not Cherise. How's the scent on those 2?
CR Mackintosh color is such a pretty lavender, like your Nicole Carol Miller. I hope to get CR Mackintosh soon .. that Austin rose should be hardy in my zone 5a.
I'll post a close-up of my favorite new rose this year, Jude the Obscure ... it lasts 4 days in the vase, thanks to my putting gypsum (calcium sulfate) in the planting hole:
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9 years agoHere's a bouquet for all the organic-growers out there, from my southern CA garden:
Very blue Passion Fruit flower on the left side. Also white with lavender center, on the right side.
2 Princess de Monaco roses on each side of TM rose,
Yves Piaget rose is deeper pink. Left is few days old's Austin C R Mackintosh. Right is freshly cut Austin Tess, and the ittle mauve is Love Potion.
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9 years agoAnna Promise rose is gorgeous, well shaped, fruity scented, what more can I ask for a gift. It has ruffled petals like Yves Piaget. The scent is fruity notes of apple, and Anna Promise is bigger than About Face rose.
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9 years agoHi Seaweed: I adore your Anna's Promise rose and the scalloped & ruffled petals. It's a gem ... I love fragrant orange roses. My Crown Princess Mag. is more like yellow, it gets orange only when the weather is cool.
Thank you so much for blessing this forum with pics. from your garden of 160+ roses. What are your favorite scents, and what are the best performers in your garden in southern CA? Thanks for the info.
Below is my favorite new rose, Yves red seedling, 100% thornless, shiny disease-resistant leaves, and awesome scent (red wine & grape juice & sweet pea):
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9 years agoNeptune rose (blue) and Dream Come True (bi-color) are old favorites in my garden, see below bouquet cut July 10:
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9 years agoNot bad against pink Carnation background ... Annie L. McDowell rose is not that showy, but Austin rose, Tess is the shining star, I love Annie's scent, she has a lovely perfume.
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9 years agoHere's my new rose Carding Mill, received Friday, July 18 from Heirloom-free-shipping-sale. That's 3 weeks ago, and I got my 1st bloom today, Sunday August 10:
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8 years agoFinally got more blue color on the lavender rose by dropping the soil pH with sulfate of potash & molasses & brewer's yeast. Costly mistake which induced black spots, but I got the blue color I want, pic. taken today Sept 6, with temp. near 90, hot & dry:
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The above is Yves Seedling, fantastic grape-floral scent (like a delicious wine). It's my old favorite for the past 4 years, very winter-hardy. Yesterday I went to local Menards, I bought "Blue Girl", "Sundowner", and "Heirloom" for $7 each (grafted on Dr. Huey).
I had Heirloom own-root which died through my zone 5a winter. For hybrid-tea, I prefer buying it cheap at local stores, grafted on Dr. Huey ... they survive winter best.
Also bought "Fragrant Cloud", "Gold glow", and "Double Delight" from Walmart for $5 each ... my 2 own-root Double-Delights' died that cold & dry winter few years ago.
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7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoHere is my picture of Alnwick Castle. I like this DA rose the best. It grows good in a cold climate. The other David Austin roses I will show pictures too. I have Heritage, The Mayflower, Wedge wood .
I want to get Munsted Wood, Gertrude Jekyll, and Winchester Cathedral.
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7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoSam: That's the best bush-shot of Alnwick rose. so many blooms. How do you like the scent? I'm going keep my eyes opened for outdoor-wood-burner at Craig's list. My neighbor has a small open one (a circular one with feet) which he got at garage sale, and he got lots of wood-ash from that small fire-pit. But that has to be stored inside a garage, 2 neighbors had to trash their metal-fire-pits, since they got rusty in the rain.
There's a picnic area with a public fireplace nearby, will have to check if there's wood ash inside that fireplace. We go past that park when I go to the Spice House to get spices.
I've just spent 1 hour drilling hundreds of holes on my plastic pots ... roots need air to grow big. Can't find the fast-draining pine-based potting soil, so I just have to cope with slower-draining MG-moisture control (sold cheap at Sam's club $!1 for a HUGE BAG twice the size at Walmart). Jude the Obscure is an old favorite, 2 own-root Jude died on my zone 5a winter, so I try 2 more own-roots this year, but will winterize them inside my garage ... I'm addicted to Jude's scent. The pink ones are Annie L. McDowell rose (thornless):
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