Please tell me what the difference is between ground squirrels and gophers. I never see the critters that are in my garden but there are about 40 holes scattered throughout my beds, not necessarily a mound but a good clean hole. I have tried to drown them which I discovered is nothing but a waste of water because I could see the water running down through some of the holes, 2/3rds of an acre away. Pretty impressive tunnel system, I have to say. BUT, they must go but I want to be sure to deal with the right critter. Is there any difference? Thanks, Kat

"The use of moth balls in an attic or other spaces to get rid of squirrels in the attic is illegal in all 50 states. If you use moth balls to get rid of squirrels, bats in the attic, and raccoons in the attic or any other vertebrate pest or even suggest their use to someone you are committing, at least a misdemeanor, and even a felony in many states" A felony.. no less. But YES.. vermin is much more important than a person's ability/right to protect his/her property. I mean.. let the vermin chew the heck otta the house.. we all know they HAVE the right too........:). ONLY jabbing at the idiocy of this 'law'.. nothin' else.. it's just moronic to consider laying the "law" onto someone for doing such. And more proof.. the neeee-ander-thall LIVES>>>>>>>

And for those who don't know, In states with an Alcohol Control Board (VA and NC come to mind), you can buy legal Moonshine. It's about the same price as Vodka and has its tax stamp just like the other spirits. Interesting! I've never been in the ABC (you can tell I drink a lot of hard liquor). I'll have to tell my father -- he had no answer when I asked where the cook got the corn likker. === Rain, a "yard bird" is a convict. Cf. the 60s rock group. [Okay, I looked it up to be sure (being a good librarian), and it can also mean "An untrained military recruit" and "A soldier confined to a restricted area or assigned menial tasks as a punishment."]

I know ground squirrels are insidious pests and getting rid of them is a serious matter, but reading this thread made me bust out laughing at least a dozen times. Still, I don't plan any time soon to don camouflage and start shooting anything that moves. Nor do I plan to capture and release, although I have a perfectly good Hav-A-Hart. My ex and I used it to humanely catch a pesky skunk that kept coming around our yard every night. We got sick of tomato juicing our dogs. We covered the trap w/a blanket and drove it up into the Oakland Hills to release in a park. We set it on a trail, propped open the door, removed the blanket and ran like hell. The skunk sprayed as it ran down the trail in the opposite direction and a strong breeze carried the spray to us faster than we could run! We were able to wash ourselves and soft clothing, but shoes and leather belts had to be thrown out. There's very good squirrel bait sold at ranch and farm supply stores. You sprinkle a teaspoon of it down an active ground squirrel hole and then you pray real hard the critter dies underground. If they come out to die above ground, you can't know who will eat it and also die. And it may be someone you know and love or a beautiful creature you don't want to harm. NOT a good idea. I was chatting w/a lady in a store in Medford, OR about our ground squirrel problem in CA and she recommended using Big Red chewing gum. Another lady in the line heard the conversation and also vouched for Big Red, so I bought a bunch of it at the dollar store. It must be actively-used burrows. You can't let your human scent get on the stick of gum, but cut it into squirrel-size bites an inch long and drop a couple of pieces in each hole. They love the cinnamon flavor, chew it and swallow it. I believe they choke to death. It worked to get rid of a very large population one year, but a few reappeared the following spring. I think these were probably newcomers, moving into the pre-built tunnels. We moved before having to re-apply. I recently moved to 5 acres where a million ground squirrels live. They turned hollowed-out Live Oaks into high-rise tenement buildings, but their main homes are subterranean. I almost broke an axle on my riding mower and twisted an ankle when I stepped into one by accident. I'm also pretty sure they're in the house. Yesterday, I noticed a brick missing from the chimney at deck-level. Someone put thick screen in there to keep critters out, but it was bent down. I put a brick inside to block the opening and a few more on the outside to make it too heavy to push away. It was still all sealed up today. But they could have other entrances I haven't discovered yet. Someone mentioned sealing up your house w/steel wool and I'd like to vouch for that method. I was told there's no way to keep mice out of a trailer or mobile home. They come up the walls from below. I once had to evict a family of smokers from a rental trailer. They'd so polluted the place w/nicotine that I had to replace everything before it could be rented out again -- ceilings, walls, floors, insulation, appliances, counters, plumbing and fixtures. To keep mice from getting in the insulation behind the new drywall, before we put the foot molding on I used a screwdriver to push steel wool down between the new floors and the drywall, creating a mouse-proof barrier for the entire trailer. It works!. Many people lived there after that and they NEVER had mice! I've sprayed expanding foam in the same way, but mice CAN chew through it, like styrofoam. Two months ago, I adopted a 9-mo-old cane corso (Italian mastiff) puppy. Walking him on leash through Home Depot, every single person we saw had to pet him or at least comment. Half the people said, "Adorable!" The other half wanted to know what kind of dog he was. Max really made out like a bandit getting treats from every sales assistant. In case you didn't know, that's what those orange aprons are for....carrying dog treats. One of the reasons Max's people chose me to give their dog to was precisely BECAUSE of the million ground squirrels who lived on my property, which we all saw as endless hours of entertainment for him. I could let him loose out the slider, on his own recognizance, w/o worrying about him getting on the road. In and out, in and out, 20-30 times a day. I knew the first day he started chasing squirrels from his muddy brown nose when I let him back in. I got a wash cloth to clean his face, but quickly realized the only time I need to wash his nose is right before bed. About a week ago, I heard some squirrels chirping very loudly from the front of the house so I went to look out a bedroom window. I saw Max chase, catch, de-tail and decapitate a squirrel, and get into sphinx position on the lawn w/his squirrel burrito between his paws, just like he holds his chew toy when he's working on it. He ate slowly, obviously enjoying every morsel, and I thought, "What a great puppy, catching his own protein and getting rid of vermin at the same time!" Then I realized the squirrel could give Max fleas, lice, rabies or other diseases. Late that day, as the sun was setting, I heard a VERY loud and persistent chirp in the backyard. Max and I went out on the deck and looked down to see where it was coming from. We saw the largest ground squirrel ever, standing straight and tall next to a burrow. He was half again as tall as any other ground squirrel, obviously the king of the squirrels. If he could have shook a fist at us, he would have. He was angry Max had eaten one of his harem and was giving us a piece of his mind! It was HE declaring war on us, rather than the other way around! This is what brought me to this site. I can't use poison w/o putting Max in danger, but these vermin gotta go! There are too many to trap, although I LOVE the idea of using animal crackers for bait. Filling every hole w/cement won't work here, an act of futility since every burrow leads to dozens of escape hatches. And there isn't enough Big Red or fox or lion urine in the world to fill all these holes. I also don't want to handle dead squirrels, emptying traps. I don't want to pester them into moving to my neighbors' yards either. I don't like the idea of pouring propane down holes and igniting it, especially in a high fire hazard area like the Pacific Northwest, and especially during the 4th drought year in a row, this year reportedly the worst in recorded history. Drowning in the sunflower bucket sounds good but, like rats, these are quite intelligent animals. They wouldn't follow the Pied Piper into the sea. They'd see one go up the ramp, plunk in and never return, and they'd figure it out. Chlorine bleach or ammonia dissipate and are gone from the environment w/in a few days, but it would only make the squirrels move next door temporarily and return when it was safe again. You'd have to apply it to a million holes every week forever. When I lived in Siskiyou County, everyone knew how to keep bears from stealing fruit out of your orchard. You fill a condom w/ammonia and close it off by tying it w/string. Then you coat the condom w/honey or peanut butter, something tasty that stays stuck to rubber. You tie it to a branch 6' above the ground, just high enough to make the bear on its hind legs have its mouth aimed upward in order to get the tasty condom. As soon as its teeth puncture the condom, all the ammonia falls into its mouth and that particular bear will never come back again. But you can only teach one bear at a time. They don't tell each other to watch out for the nasty fruit in your orchard. I lived across the river from a community of 200 bears! I'd like to know HOW LONG it takes squirrels who eat cement & flour to die? If it happens too quickly, the survivors are smart enough to catch on. Big Red gum may be worth another try. At least no one else would be harmed eating those dead squirrels. But of everything mentioned on this site, the one thing that ALWAYS works and involves no cost or effort at all on the part of humans is cats, miniature panthers, deadly predators. A few years back, I saw something on U-Tube that blew me away. A couple in southern California attached a video cam to their cat's collar in order to know what it did at night. The cat spent the night cruising the neighborhood, killing everything it could! Not to eat, but for the sheer joy of killing. A cat is a killing machine. We all know this. Once they're well fed, they continue killing and toying with small creatures for the sheer love of it. They're so proud of their kills, they lay them neatly in a row on your doormat, to show you how good they are at killing. I once had a girl dog who did the same thing. There was no way to put her on a diet....the great outdoors was her restaurant. Max's people said he gets along just fine w/cats. I'll be looking to get me a couple.