If rye is really what you have, you can use a product called revolver to help you transition back to bermuda. It is used during the spring transition by professionals to get the cool season turf to die off when the bermuda starts coming back. It is not, however, labeled for us over the top of st augustine. Don't give away trade secrets :>) I don't know about CO, but in TX only licensed professional can use Revolver. Otherwise homeowners have to use granular atrazene formulated for Saint Augustine lawns to do the trick.

Rhizo, you've given me enough information to allow me to lighten my burden this winter. No overseeding for me. We have a mix of grasses in our lawn, with St.Augustine in the back and in some cool spots under the shade trees. I finally learned what SAD was, so thanks for that too. I love the St.A but must be content with it in the back yard only. Too sunny on the western exposure. Well, I'll be letting my grass REST this winter. But we do have our newly cleared "back forty", where ancient azaleas were cut down and their locations had no grass, and I am wondering if this fall would be a good time to overseed with the crimson clover? Should I just let it grow and not cut it until spring? We will NOT be tilling the ground, just covering it up so it won't be a mud wallow over the winter. Or would that area, about 25x100, be fine for the annual rye grass? Actually, we bought that portion of our neighbor's lot inside the city here, and took out everything (the 50 yr old mostly dead azaleas, trash camphor trees) except we left three young pecans and 2 huge ancient sasanquas. I wanted to sod it with St.A, but DH said too much preparation required, so we'll just do the best we can.

Hi I too am planning on planting winter Rye this year. I plan to put it in my vegetable gardening area. It's about 60 ft wide by 100 ft long. Every other row is not tilled only mowed to save water here in NM. This is my firsr try at it. Im doing it to keep nutrient rich soil.Im sorry I can't help more. I will update you as I go along if you would like. I still need to buy it. I know this is personal,bu my mom passed Aug 30th so I didn't plant or the last 2 years. Didnt really have time to care for them. I wish you the best with your Rye planting. I would like to know all you learn. I'm zone 4 but I'm at 8,60 ft to. bye DB

The majority will die off next summer, but it can survive (even significant amounts) if we get a rainy one. The second year, it's usually gone. I might be inclined to return that if I could and get something else without the annual rye. If not, it should be OK to use, just keep in mind that the stuff might last longer than you really want.