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Anything Else I Can Do?

yardenman
16 years ago

My new hosta bed gets about an hour of sunrise light in the morning, some very filtered light til noon and full shade the rest of the day.

Every hosta is planted in a cubed foot hole with 1/2 existing soil and 1/2 leaf compost mixed with a little long-term organic fertilizer. Each hosta is planted at the maximum spacing suggested.

I have mown over leaves to shred them and spread them 1/2 thick as mulch (leaves compact a lot so I don't want too much depth). I don't want bark mulsh that will decompose and cover the hosta crowns with "soil".

I am placing a soaker hose so that the hose is no more than 1 foot away from any hosta. I am installing landscape edging around the bed to reduce natural woodland plant invasion, and I am carefully pulling the few weeds that appear.

Is there anything else I can do to provide my lovely hostas the best environment possible? Should I top the edging with copper wire? Do night-time searches for slugs and snails? Foliar sprays?

Comments (15)

  • Janice
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Maybe some slug bait or coffee grounds sprinkled around them, but otherwise--sit back, relax and wait for the *show*!

    I think you deserve a well-earned rest, now!

    janice

    P.S. I'd go with the decomposing mulch though--it's wonderful for your soil, and if you don't spread it too deeply,
    or too close to your crowns, they will be just fine.

  • jannoel_gw
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I say, sit down and take a breath and just enjoy looking at them for awhile.

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  • lindac
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I think you are lacking in organic material...mulch.
    I sure don't do any "foot cubed" hole with amended soil....and my hosta leap out of the ground...
    Sometimes I think that hosta are wary of too much amendments and accomodations....they're sort of trailer trash in fancy dress....and seem happest in a trashy bed with a lot of leaves....or on the drive way!
    If they don't reward you with lovely growth....send them to me and I will abuse them properly!
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  • botanybabe
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Have a cold drink, and introduce a few worms to your hosta bed if it's not already full of them.

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  • esther_opal
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The fancy planting hole has fallen on hard times in light of recent research.

    You will be happiest with the spacing as time goes away.

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  • lisasmall
    16 years ago
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    Yes! You should hire me to sit there and watch them grow. :)

    Sounds like you've done more than enough. I wish I'd had your sense about the minimum spacing back when I first planted.

  • esther_opal
    16 years ago
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    A lot of advice is sought and given, I never hear the spacing answer. Everyone says what they've bought or want to buy but no one talks about spacing?????????

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    16 years ago
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  • yardenman
    Original Author
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Wow, great replies! Thanks all. I owe some responses...

    I "improved" my soil because I figured that any lush-leaved shade plant needed plenty of nutrients. I had noticed that the soil seemed dry - probably because of the surrounding mature tree roots).

    I think it is better to have organic matter in the soil rather than just on top (and I do have a 1/2" of shredded leaves there. I do have a cu yard of bark mulch, though, so I may add that around them. But I've read that slugs love mulch, so I'm not sure. I'm suspecting that slugs do not love dry shredded leaves.

    LOL about worms. As I have been doing digging work in other parts of the yard, I have been collecting the worms that flee the disturbance and bringing them to the hosta bed. And shooing the robins away! Incidentally, I think the best way to introduce worms to a new bed is to dig up a patch of soil, place the worms on the top, and then cover them with a pot. It has worked well in other veggie beds.

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    The spacing of the hostas is still the most uncertain part. The best pics I've seen have hostas close enough to have overlapping leaves, and mine sure aren't that close. But I went for specimen and structure in this layout. When I see how large/colorful the hostas really get, I'll know next year where I can add more with contrasting colors and textures. Unless I find something better than June and Paul's Glory, I will be adding more of those, some close to the larger bluish ones.

    One reason for maximum spacing was to allow hosta divisions in a year or two. I don't know why, but some hostas seem to invite division and some don't. Some of my hostas come up every year in a single tight crown and I don't dare mess with them.

    If I missed replying to any sugestions or questions, I apologize. But it does look like I am generally doing things right with the hostas... I sure glad for that!

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  • esther_opal
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I think it is better to have organic matter in the soil rather than just on top"

    Go to the soil and compost forum and read for landscape gardening rather than veggie gardening. Those with strong feelings will only change with weight of evidence.

    My wife loves columbine so we have a lot but it will seed like a weed although you can leave a few for seeds and wack them down later.

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  • ebb_tide
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

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    It is not hard to enoculate your soil with Mycorrhizae, get a bit of forest
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    By Shawn Semones, Ph.D., and Kristi Woods, M.S.

    Arborists leave behind perhaps the most visible examples of their work  trees. Whether they have been charged with simply caring for existing specimens or asked to plant and grow new trees, everyone who comes in contact with their work experiences their success, or failure, and is quick to make judgments on whether or not theyÂre "doing a good job." Improving the odds of growing and maintaining healthy trees requires selecting the appropriate plants and ensuring that the trees themselves are rooted in the best foundation possible.
    ThatÂs where tiny allies can make a huge difference. Those tiny allies are mycorrhizal fungi. Mycorrhizae are fungi that form symbiotic and mutually beneficial associations in plants (usually with the roots). They help increase establishment and growth, extend the roots surface area, and provide resistance against stress. The presence of mycorrhizae results in a healthier plant.
    Benefits
    Typically, both the plants and mycorrhizal fungi benefit from their association with each other. This functional give-and-take relationship provides a carbohydrate source for the mycorrhizal fungi, which is what they need to flourish. The plant, in turn, benefits from improved nutrient and water uptake, carbon acquisition, phytohormone production, and resistance to pathogens.
    Relationships
    Mycorrhizae actually alter the relationship between the treeÂs roots and the soil, increasing the roots ability to absorb phosphorus, a critical nutrient for plant growth and stress physiology.
    Mycorrhizae are an integral part of plant physiology and ecology. Mycorrhizae form an association with more than 2,500 different plant species, ranging from primitive plants to more evolutionarily advanced species. The nature of the association depends upon the species of plant and fungus involved as well as the environmental conditions. Forming in 98 percent of all land plants, mycorrhizae are found in a variety of ecosystems and plant communities, including wetlands, deserts, deciduous forests, lowland tropical rainforests, high latitude and elevation plant communities, and prairies. About the only terrestrial settings in which they do not occur are extreme arctic environments.
    Classifications
    Although mycorrhizae are classified into seven major groups characterized by key morphological features of the root-fungus association, the two most common groups are ectomycorrhizae (colonize outside) and endomycorrhizae (colonize inside). Ectomycorrhizae colonize the outside ofroots and can produce a mushroom or fruiting body above or below ground. Ectomycorrhizae form associations with trees such as pines, birch, oak, walnut, willow and beech. Ectomycorrhizae create a sheath of hyphae (fungal cells), increasing the root surface and volume around the plant root and making it harder for fungal or bacterial diseases to penetrate the plant. With this barrier in place, the plant is less likely to need constant and potentially costly pesticide applications, thereby possibly reducing pesticide use. In addition, plants are more resistant to diseases, both fungal and bacterial, and a variety of pests that seek out less-healthy specimens. Although ectomycorrhizae only form with 10 percent of the worldÂs plants, these plants, primarily trees, are the basis for some of the worldÂs most important industries, including building and construction, furniture manufacturing, and landscaping.
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  • FlowersForMyFarm
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    EO - Interesting, is there a way to tell if you have a mycorrhizal colony existing already? From what I see in the article I suspect that I may have Ectomycorrhizae already in place in my hosta gardens where I've left the native soil and plants rather undisturbed under my large pines.

  • esther_opal
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Fungus is working to colonize new areas all time so if you are just sitting there it may find you but gathering a bit of forest duff and spreading it around isn't a hard thing.