The first one is Dianthus barbatus, Sweet William. Try comparing your second plant to Silene latifolia. Here is a link that might be useful: Google image results

Sorry about the average photos, my tablet camera isn't the best.

Maybe can save seeds, depending on what tonight's forecast freeze will do to the plants. Will you want some? As we know, resultant plants will not necessarily produce pink flowers. Not OT your Turk's Cap. My understaniding is that your case and mine are results of different genetic expressions. Not that I know much about either.

Sherry - Absolute Ripper looks a lot better today than it did yesterday when the blooms were facing downward. I posted this pic because it does not usually have such a pure blue purple color. With our heat, the purple usually has more red tones. Nancy - So far, Yoga Man is doing better than most of the other new ones I planted last fall. They only have 6-8 buds and are very short. Yoga Man isn't its registered height yet, but it's closer than the other 14 are. Sensational Heart is the only other new one that is the registered height (32 inches). It also has 14-15 buds per scape. Debra