shuttering: What Dave said. Also, I'm no pest expert, but with the looper and moth, I consider them to be pretty much the same... their children do damage! I think(emphasize think) the reason why they're called cabbage moths and loopers is because they're particularly attracted to brassicas(cabbage family). But they'll attack other veggies also-- peppers, maters, etc. I know I'm not supposed to do this because you're supposed to identify pest FIRST, and then TREAT. But I use BT almost year round(almost as a presventative). But, in my climate and my year round gardening, there's almost always cabbage loopers flying around. Between my peppers and tomatoes in the warm months and my Brassicas in the cooler months, I use quite a bit of the stuff. Not surprisingly, I've seen a helluva lot less of the moths flying around this year. I wouldn't do this with ANY pesticide -- just BT. the reason being that it's a very "target" specific pesticide(caterpillars only). Killing the beneficial insects isn't a concern with the stuff. Kevin

I need to correct something I said above, and that is what we have every time we dig a hole are grubs not slugs. I'm sorry that I confused the two.. :But when I looked online the holes on my little maples, that are 3 ft tall, look exactly like slug damage. After reading all of your responses and after realizing I confused grubs and slugs, I need to rethink my strategy of how to stop these holes in my leaves. Edited to add I can get you pictures in a little bit, after dh wakes up. He doesn't have to go into work til 11am this morning.. He's the one who posts my pictures, since I don't know how to do it. This post was edited by ilovemytrees on Fri, Jun 6, 14 at 7:12

I haven't seen that kind of damage, which is nice, but instead have punched-out holes, which is not, or stripped-off leaves, the latter from grasshoppers I believe. If it's not one thing it's another.. These kinds of illustrations are a very graphic and helpful aid in determining what's ailing our roses. Ingrid

Thanks. Mine have been doing this for 2-3 years now but I haven't been able treat it because of having a baby then my health. Then once I could things I was told to use by local nurseries in case it was borers were either all banned or not safe with kids and pets around. My dog was dumb enough to eat slug bait, etc so I always had to be really careful what I used. (Since passed. She was nearly 16.) I suspect overcrowding is at fault as well.