Thanks everybody for sharing your experiences! My conclusion is...you folks definitely need some more Hoyas/Dischidias! Therefore, I highly recommend going to visit Kartuz Greenhouses down in Vista. It's definitely worth the trip. His online catalog really does not adequately represent the great variety of tropical/interesting/unusual/rare plants that he grows. Plus, his prices are really reasonable so you can get a good collection going without having to pay an arm and a leg. If anybody is interested...I also posted this thread in the following places... Garden Web - Hoya Forum - Cold Tolerant Hoyas/Dischidias Growing on the Edge - Cold Tolerant Hoyas/Dischidias PalmTalk - Cold Tolerant Hoyas/Dischidias? Flickr - Epiphytes Group - Cold Tolerant Hoyas/Dischidias?

I seem to favor different ones at different times. Of course what ever is blooming and/or smelling delightful suddenly becomes my favorite. I also tend to love looking at beautiful leaves like some of the ones with dark veins in them, and the ones that turn redish or bronze in high light. Right now I have a H. carnosa "Krimson Queen" that is growing in shade, and their is a bunch of new growth that is all a lovely maroon pinkish color that makes that plant a beautiful specimen. My other one growing in very bright light is very washed out and yellow, however it is the one blooming. Sometimes I think I prefer the tiny leaved ones that cascade so sweetly over the sides of their little pots, then other times I look at the large leafed H. latifolia and think, "What a magnificent plant". Gee....do we really have to pick????? :-) Marcy

Tracy, There really is a darwinii species (though I've never seen it myself...) and Ted Green describes it on his site and has a pic. It looks nothing like tsangii (or so-called DS-70) and from Ted's notes, it's probably both rare and hard to grow. I get a little annoyed when vendors sell common plants with uncommon names. I don't know what you paid for your tsangii, but I've bought two big ones at Lowe's, the biggest in a full 10" pot for under $15. He lists nothing with the name incanna - a lot of times, when a capitalized name follows "sp." it's a place that one was collected from. But I've never heard of a place called Incanna (though that doesn't mean it doesn't exist!) Personally, I would ask the vendor where they came up with the name and where their plant originated. It would be great if you could post a pic of the plant... As for your plant list, I find bella to be a real mealy-magnet, so keep a close eye on it. Kerrii, multiflora (which is really javanica), tsangii ("darwinii") and australis are easy to grow. 'Krinkle 8' is a cultivar of carnosa, so it's easy, too. I find polyneura a bit fussy, but once you get it's needs down, it does well. Serpens is one I've killed a few of over the years, but I have one that's doing well now. The key is to not let it get too dry OR stay too wet. It's a bit of a tight-rope walk! Denise in Omaha

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