The leaves are a-gonner, but the temperature underground can't be freezing yet. Go for it! Just learned the term "aroid." Maybe people on that board could chime in some advice also.

Hehehehe, I wouldn't say hubby is all that devoted, we have been married for 4 years now and just about ironing out the wrinkles, He may roll his eyes all he wants over trees that needs to be pruned, if he wants me to keep make meat balls and cure salmon for him , this is the trade off...hehehehe, it's all give and take I figure... -they did dry up for the last week and I took my old painting brushes to them yesterday, apart from having a couple soft and semimushy ( I cut them off and tossed) I did not see any rot, but I left all the small roots and have a hard time determine what the eyes are, very few I think... they are stored in saw dust inside a paperbag inside a old canvas bag, in my closet. I dunked the whole crown, didn't take anything apart.. is that a mistake? I am intriuged by the naming of the kenora MACOB b. I have however no idea who Gourdie Leroux is, do care to elaborate plantlady? Thanks,klk oh, by the way, I have a new page when I get in to gweb. so far It absolutly SUCKS. It took me about three days to be able to reenter the site, anybody knows whats going on? Don't tell me we are all gonna ahve start paying for it...? sigh.. ds.

Unfortunately for me, mine may have rotted because like linnea56 up there, ANOTHER THING x INFINITY (almost) has happened along with my forgetfulness and they're still sitting on my (enclosed) back porch in the pots they grew in. I'm really afraid of what I'm going to find! Even more, I'm afraid of what may have decided to wander in and feast on them! Is there a chaaaaance, they may be okay? anyone?

1) post on freecycle.com, or craigslist.com and/or put up a sign or three promoting 'free dig-ur-own' plants. 2) get a heavy duty rake (not a fan shaped leaf rake, but a flat-headed one) and use a hoe-ing motion(downward chop into soil, take a step back, pulling the rake and plants back with you) to drag mats of plants out. a heavy layer of mulch will discourage anything that got missed, and will allow you to do selective weeding (I'm a fan of the flame weeder from Leevalley.com) the important thing to remember is that both of these spread by underground runners, so there is no such thing as a total kill the first time around. the OTHER important thing to remember is that you need to know what will go in there well before you start pulling the plants out. once you break up that mat, you're opening yourself to weeds, erosion, and a general mess that can take years to repair. (by the way- if you're putting shrubs in, there's no reason to remove the ground cover at all- ferns, bulbs, rhodidendrons, my oak-leaf hydrangeas- all of them live happily with both vinca and pachys.)