Thanks. That shoot already on the stake doesn't seem to want to grow much for whatever reason. Last year it put out around 2 - 3 feet of growth on the two longest branches (one broke over the winter) but that one that attached itself to the pole just sorta puts out a few leaves and then stalls out. Maybe it will take off this year. Too bad about having to wait until next year but luckily a wild grapevine found its way onto the telephone pole in my yard and its loaded with clusters. Maybe The birds will save me some? Thanks again.

This not one I thinking about but does show arch it to high in center for muscadine vine by about foot to pointed at top in link. What looking for easy walk under so top more rounded.you want reach throw wire about up to wrist for picking. I use this design because lower squares are good place kids pick just walking kids they work twins in family be 1 year old Thursday 18th party 20th not my kids Clara Jane and Lilly Ana just now walking, but hold hands up high to walk because of training steps holding hand up lol. There to many ways to do trellis for muscadines for one to fit all. I picked 2 5 gallon bucket full off friends vines on my old knees the best picking was under vines ground was soft and rows was long a small deer was eating at other end long row vines underside. Here is a link that might be useful: Cattle panel This post was edited by gator_rider2 on Mon, Apr 15, 13 at 21:50

My trellis (cattle panels attached to T-posts) starts about a foot off the ground. When the cucumber and gourd vines get tall enough, I use garden twine to tie them to the lowest part of the trellis. After that, I use trellis clips to attach them temporarily to the trellis till the tendrils take hold. I do some hand manipulation of tendrils to encourage them to do what they're supposed to do. The nice thing about using trellis clips is that they're easy to put in place and easy to remove (well, some brands are easier than others). In most cases, I'm only leaving them in place for a day or two before moving them to another branch tip. I've seen four kinds of trellis clips. In the page below, the ones I'm talking about are the white plastic pieces that close into a circle. Google Images search for "trellis clips" I've seen the white ones sold by Johnny's Selected Seeds, two kinds of red ones (one with tiny tabs which are difficult to open, and one with large tabs which are easy to open), and some funky green ones from Garden Supply Company which have a different opening mechanism. I use trellis clips for tomatoes too. I weave the vine through the wire, but add trellis clips about every 12-18", and leave them in place throughout the season. If you find yourself addicted to trellis clips, there are places that have wonderful wholesale prices for boxes of 1000.

Just don't let it suffer from lack of water. The plant may take a year or so. Weave the shoots in and out. Mine took 3 years to become so dense you cannot see through them. Very top-heavy, but full to the ground. Do not expect bloom without Sun.