Cutting raised it should bloom small. "More than one plant" comes up when you are planting kinds like hollies which usually require cross-pollination to set fruit, and in that instance you need more than one kind as well as more than one specimen. Production of flowers is not affected by who else is at the party.

Nope. Maybe I should examine it more closely to be sure but I certainly haven't spotted anything but spines. It and 'Sasaba' didn't really start blooming until they were almost 6' tall, so that was about 2-3 years ago. 'Sasaba' is very open and spindly and grows more slowly it's been in the ground 3 more years, while the O. heterophyllus is filling in and almost exceeding 1' per year now. But until this year they bloomed pretty sparsely. This year the species was so intense it looked whitish from a distance, and, like I said, you could smell it as you started walking towards it. I can't wait for my O. X fortunei to reach that size, as, like I said the individual florets are more powerfully scented in that one. This post was edited by davidrt28 on Fri, Nov 14, 14 at 7:34

Hey Jeff! I can't think of you without thinking of the camellia 'Magnoliaflora' (or something like that). I have 20+ osmanthus 'fragrans' here in Vincent and they do quite well during our typical winters. Any tender fall growth is killed back during harsh cold, but that's minimal. It quickly regrows during spring. My two oldest shrubs are approaching 10-ft. tall. I have 2 michelia 'figo'. The species is somewhat protected by the deck and surrounding shrubs, and still loses quite a few leaves during the upper teens. Likewise, it quickly replaces them in spring. The selection 'Port Wine' is unprotected and takes a little bit of a beating during bitter cold, but is still a very handsome shrub come mid-spring. I can't imagine not being able to enjoy both! Having said all that, I'd be a bit sceptical about either one thriving as far north as the TN line. However, I'd still try both if they could have excellent protection during winter. I'm interested in hearing comments from those in north Alabama who grow either of these. According to the "Southern Living Garden Book", there is an area near, or even north of, Florence, that is considered "Lower South", which is the northern range for either of these shrubs. Maybe your sister is lucky enough to live in that area. Let's hope so! Nelson

More Contributions, there are 4 groups, and here is a big list that I've compiled of various cultivars and which group they fall into. Basically Semperflorens (sijigui) are the variety that flower all the time, where as all others flower in the fall. besides color of the flower there are other differences which I am still deciphering. I know this list is daunting, but basically if you're looking to purchase a cultivar and you are not sure what characteristics or qualities it has, this will help for us non chinese speakers! Group Code Cultivar Origin Luteus (Thunbergii) "JinGui" HT1 Zaojingui-1 Hubei HT2 Zijingui Hubei HT3 Yuanban Jingui-1 Hubei HT4 Huangchuan Jingui Hubei HT5 Jinhuataige Hubei HT6 Qiugui-1 Hubei ZT1 Qiugui-2 Zhejiang ZT2 Jinqiugui‘Jinqiu’ Zhejiang ZT3 Wandian Jin Zhejiang ZT4 Congzhong Xiao Zhejiang GT1 Juye Zijingui Guangxi GT2 Yuanye Zijingui Guangxi GT3 Taoye Jingui Guangxi GT4 Zaojingui-2 Guangxi GT5 Yuanban Jingui-2 Guangxi GT6 Hanxiao Guangxi GT7 Yuanye Jingui Guangxi GT8 Heishan Jingui Guangxi GT9 Heishanzhizhu Guangxi HT7 Zuiyun Hubei 43 Zie Guilin, Guangxi 44 Xiaoye Yingui Guilin, Guangxi 45 Susheng Jingui Chengdu, Sichuan 46 Daye Zijingui Nanjing, Jiangsu 47 Qiugui Xianning, Huibei 48 Jinhuataige Xianning, Huibei 49 Zaozihuang Hangzhou, Zhejiang 50 Jinshigui Nanjing, Jiangsu 51 Moye Jingui Guilin, Guangxi 52 Jinqiugui Nanjing, Jiangsu 53 Chenghuan Jingui Nanjing, Jiangsu 54 Zaojingui Xianning, Hubei 55 Heishan Jingui Guilin, Guangxi 56 Dahua Jingui Hangzhou, Zhejiang 57 Yuanban Jingui Guilin, Guangxi 58 Huangchuan Jingui Xianning, Hubei 59 Taoyehuang Hangzhou, Zhejiang 60 Chuizhihuang Hangzhou, Zhejiang 61 Hangzhouhuang Hangzhou, Zhejiang 62 Lianye Jingui Hangzhou, Zhejiang 63 Wanjingui Hangzhou, Zhejiang 64 Wanxin Nanjing, Jiangsu 65 Ziyun Guilin, Guangxi 66 Baozhu Guilin, Guangxi 67 Zhuguan Zijingui Nanjing, Jiangsu 68 Liuyesugui Hangzhou, Zhejiang 69 Duoya Jingui Shanghai 70 Dayehuang Nanjing, Jiangsu 71 Yuhuahuang Nanjing, Jiangsu 72 Boye Jingui Hangzhou, Zhejiang 73 Wandianjin Hangzhou, Zhejiang Albus (Latifolius) Yingui HL1 Zigeng Zigui Hubei HL2 Changgengbai Hubei HL3 Yinxing Hubei HL4 Jiangnan Liren Hubei ZL1 Wanyingui Zhejiang ZL2 Yulinglong Zhejiang GL1 Yuanye Ziyingui Guangxi GL2 Chiye Ziyingui Guangxi GL3 Qinyun Guangxi GL4 Yaotiaoshunv Guangxi GL5 Cuizhu Guangxi GL6 Ruichi Yingui Guangxi GL7 Ziyun Guangxi 14 Boye Yingui Hangzhou, Zhejiang 15 Mihua Ziyingui Nanjing, Jiangsu 16 Yinxing Xianning, Hubei 17 Changgengbai Xianning, Hubei 18 Jiangnanliren Xianning, Hubei 19 Dahua Zaoyingui Nanjing, Jiangsu 20 Zigeng Ziyingui Nanjing, Jiangsu 21 Yulinglong Nanjing, Jiangsu 22 Xiaye Wanyingui Nanjing, Jiangsu 23 Zaoyingui Shanghai 24 Liuyegui Shanghai 25 Baijie Shanghai 26 Jiulonggui Shanghai 27 Wanyingui Shanghai 28 Yulianyinsi Hangzhou, Zhejiang 29 Changyebizhu Hangzhou, Zhejiang 30 Daye Yinggui Hangzhou, Zhejiang 31 Juanban Ziyingui Hangzhou, Zhejiang 32 Duoban Ziyingui Nanjing, Jiangsu 33 Ziyingui Shanghai 34 Yangmeiye Yingui Hangzhou, Zhejiang 35 Ehuang Hangzhou, Zhejiang 36 Xiangyun Hangzhou, Zhejiang 37 Kuoye Zaoyingui Nanjing, Jiangsu 38 Chuanyinqiu Nanjing, Jiangsu 39 Xizi Yingui Nanjing, Jiangsu 40 Zaohuang Shanghai 41 Mantianxing Nanjing, Jiangsu 42 Xiaojiabiyu Guilin, Guangxi Aurantiacus DanGui HA1 Chiye Dangui Hubei HA2 Gecheng Dangui Hubei HA2 Dangui Hubei HA2 Mantiaohong Hubei HA2 Zhuangyuanhong Zhejiang HA2 Yingye Dangui Zhejiang HA2 Hongyan Ningxiang Zhejiang HA2 Zuijihong Zhejiang 74 Congzhongxiao Hangzhou, Zhejiang 75 Zuiyun Xianning, Hubei 76 Mantiaohong Hangzhou, Zhejiang 77 Gecheng Dangui Xianning, Hubei 78 Chiye Dangui Xianning, Hubei 79 Zaohong Chengdu, Sichuan 80 Honghai Chengdu, Sichuan 81 Xionghuanggui Nanjing, Jiangsu 82 Yingye Dangui Shanghai 83 Shanghai Dangui Shanghai 84 Jiaorong Hangzhou, Zhejiang 85 Xiaoyan Hangzhou, Zhejiang 86 Zuijihong Guilin, Guangxi 87 Suzhouhong Nanjing, Jiangsu 88 Zhusha Dangui Shanghai 89 Suzhouqiancheng Nanjing, Jiangsu 90 Yuhuahong Nanjing, Jiangsu 91 Danhongcuizhou Nanjing, Jiangsu 92 Taoye Dangui Nanjing, Jiangsu 93 Hangzhou Dangui Nanjing, Jiangsu 94 Pucheng Dangui Nanjing, Jiangsu 95 Zhuangyuanhong Hangzhou, Zhejiang 96 Hongyanningxiang Hangzhou, Zhejiang 97 Xiaoye Dangui Hangzhou, Zhejiang 98 Chenghong Dangui Hangzhou, Zhejiang 99 Zidangui Hangzhou, Zhejiang 100 Yunnan Dangui Kunming, Yunnan Asiaticus (semperflorens) sijigui HF1 Sijigui-1 Hubei ZF1 Sijigui-2 Zhejiang ZF2 Tianxiang Taige Zhejiang ZF3 Danzhuang Zhejiang ZF4 Tiannv Sanhua Zhejiang 1 Sijigui Shanghai 2 Yueyuegui Shanghai 3 Rixianggui Shanghai 4 Daye Sijigui Shanghai 5 Fodingzhu Shanghai 6 Jinyetianxiang Jinhua, Zhejiang 7 Xiaoye Sijigui Shanghai 8 Tianxiangtaige Shanghai 9 Huangjin Nanjing, Jiangsu 10 Dongxianghong Hangzhou, Zhejiang 11 Xiaoronghuang Nanjing, Jiangsu 12 Tiannvsanhua Hangzhou, Zhejiang 13 Xiaoyefodingzhu Nanjing, Jiangsu