wow,i really like this one,Its really pretty. Jean

That is definitely the same shape as my 'Niobe.' However, on my monitor this flower is a bit lighter with more blue/purple than what I see in my garden.

My EV is more purple too. Perhaps both are mislabeled. I have wanted to get a WN but they haven't been available locally. I did see one at Hummingbird Farm a few years ago, but Cindy had said it was mislabeled as something else. The next time I got back there, about a month later, it was already sold.

Thank you, everyone, for your information. The backyard holes were not amended too well because the plants were a surprise; I used what amendments I had left over from the backyard veggie garden and front flower beds, which even got nice French-drain-like underground drains that I slaved in 100-degree sun to hand make. While I don't have that degree of stamina at this point, after ingesting all of this information and because of their still runty size, and the "prospect of" a pretty rainy winter season, I am thinking I should probably dig up those two runts in the back and keep them in pots during the winter to protect them (would I bring them inside ever???) IN ADDITION to amending the soil better. AND, in fact, the two Will Goodwins that broke off at the stems in the wonderfully amended front yard soil (anyone every wonder why "backyard" is one word and "front yard" is two???)...well, NOW I am thinking I should bring those up, too, and pot them for the winter...possibly longer? (They are just little 1/4 - 1/2 inch sticks protruding from the ground since they broke. Poor things would be burried completely if I "burried them deeply"...or even deeper than how they came potted because they were about 8 - 12 inches tall at that time.) Does that sound like a good idea? And on that note, for the people who keep their clematis (thanks for the plural spelling, Gardengal!) potted until well-rooted, what is the best potting soil/mixture to get those roots stimulated and strong??? And how can I tell when it is "well rooted," just by the above-ground size of the plant? Thank you for your expertise! ...invaluable. -Lindsay