Amending clay soil / plants struggling
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Comments (6)Hi, My soil is very heavy red clay. It is hard to work. When it is wet it is clumpy and sticky and when it is dry it is like a fine ceramic. In fact, I actually made a pot out of it one time. It is very fertile, but a little acidic. Anyway, I build raised beds most of the time, just to save myself and my DH the hassle of trying to dig the clay. In my veggie garden, years of ammendments and green manure have finally created workable soil. And there are several flowerbeds around the house that are ammended clay. But mostly I build beds with timbers and imported soil. You can do it either way depending on the drainage and your patience. Good luck! Kathy...See MoreAmending that 'ole Red clay soil-
Comments (10)The Phlomis isn't particularly wild about soil being super acidic. It naturally grows in Syria, in stoney outcrops. So it would prefer dry, rocky, limestone soil. If you have red clay, this is would be the opposite to the conditions in your garden. However, you can still grow it. I would NOT recommend simply ammending each "planting hole" as your landscaper suggested. It is far better to ammend a large growing area all at once. If you just ammend holes the first time around, then you have pockets of well draining soil right next to pockets of possibly soggy soil ( this is if you are gardening in clay, mind you). Also, the addition of pine bark mulch as your sole ammendment (if that's what was put in), can further acidify the soil. Your phlomis would do fantastically well for you if you dig (as in at least double dig) in LOTS, and I mean it takes LOTS of sharp builders sand. This sand contains copieous amounts of sharp and larger sand particles often with high limestone content that will leach into the soil. Another trick? Plant a hunk of old concrete right by your phlomis after you ammend the soil with other materials! This works with lavender, thymes and other limestone lovers too! Doesn't have to be a huge large piece either. Walkways, and sidewalk cement is a great thing to use. Also, planting your limestone loving plants by the curb also helps. A word of warning with phlomis. It also likes a lean soil, and our clay is nutritious. I would avoid ammending with copious amounts of manures, or compost alone. Mixed with the sand, this is great. But alone it helps hold in water AND break up soil particles. You want less water too. GGG...See MoreSoil amendments: clay soil, fully planted beds
Comments (16)My first garden was created 5 years ago...we took off the sod, amended with compost, tilled and planted and mulched. It was a nightmare. I probably needed 60 times more compost, and never could have afforded it. The following two years I hated working in the garden because it was such hard work with the clay and many plants didn't thrive. I replanted areas many times and each time I would add more compost/mulch, whatever I could get my hands on. I also added a soil conditioner that was very expensive but works like gypsum...breaks down clay. (Who knows, maybe it WAS gypsum with a bigger price tag.) It's 6 years later now and I have to tell you that the garden is just a delight to work in now. I plan to spread gypsum a couple of times each year and continue mulching the beds, but I'm sure I'll never have to do all that double-digging like I did before....just keep on piling on the stuff like everyone wrote above, and before you know it, your beds will be as you need them to be. I also highly recommend that you search out plants that LIKE clay, so that your plantings will be successful. I spent many, many dollars buying plants that needed more drainage than I had and would die...and I wondered why. Some of those plants might do ok for me now in the same garden, but I think it's important to plant things that actually LIKE the ground that they are in today. Good Luck!...See MoreBest soil amendment for heavy clay soil?
Comments (6)Ultimately, adding anything organic to 'break up clay soil' is counter-productive in the long run. As in, years down the road in most climates - so this is where Embo's question about the type of plants comes into play. If you just have a vegetable garden, go ahead and work some pine bark fines or whatever in the soil. If you are growing permanent long-term landscape plants, likelihood is you are just going to turn the area into more of a quagmire eventually. The only true long term solution is either calcium sulfate or calcitic limestone, if the soil is the type to benefit from it, or the incorporation of agents that permanently change the soil structure. An example would be something like Permatil or Turface that is added to athletic fields. And mind you even this won't fix underlying drainage problems if they exist, although calcitic limestone, applied generously over several years, improved a part of my garden from being so gooey my subcompact tractor almost got stuck it in, to being merely prone to mushiness. Basically, in some clay soils, especially near coastal areas like where I live, magnesium and sodium ions long trapped in the clay are displayed by calcium, forming a clay that aggregates more readily giving water more space to move down into lower soil strata. After a heavy rain now, I can sometimes actually hear a sucking sound as this happens. I still need to fix the drainage in that area with new tile drains, but it's made it a bit less treacherous....See Morehosenemesis
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