oh, white roses - my favourites. How to choose though. Would have to start with the fabulous Nevada - like a stately galleon, sailing across the grass/weed patch. Like Mariannese, i must put in a vote for the charming double white. As a rule, single roses have always stole my heart but these dainty cupped blossoms, alomg with the delicious ferny leaves, fit brilliantly amongst the untidy vegetable profusion of the allotment. Because I have many timber supports in the raised beds (there are currently 23 of these beds) I grow more climbers and ramblers than shrubs or bushes. Much as I would like great swathes of Wedding Day, Seagull et al, I have to be content with just a couple of large white roses so have chosen R.soulieana, R.helenae and the gorgeously fragrant, if a tad touchy in the famously nippy easterly winds, Nastarana. Finally, another vote for a Pemberton classic, Moonlight. One of his earliest and imo, one of his best hybrid musks. It is still throwing out bloom clusters, arching out and up, entangling with an unruly Snowgoose (a surprise Austin addition to the list) Red......hmmm, not my fave colour although a 10 year old moyesii is truly fabulous, underplanted with stooled purple filberts and an equally vivid tanacetum - yay. I do not have Souv.de Dr.Jamain although I have planted several for customers. A lovely rose but Etoile d'Hollande is still my favourite velvet red. Lastly, a simple 'cottagey' rose I do have is Paul's Scarlet climber - always fresh, bright and easier to site in a rambling allotment, than most reds (which always seem more formal and 'grown up' for my garden style).

iiitara, no need for larger print if you want folks to continue the discussion. Honey is much better, please. I know you can do this and you want folks to try them. lopaka_mikale, humidity is a big concern and there are things one can do. Our weather last year was extremely dry and not our normal. One thing that can be done is placement on the north side or shady side of the house. Do make sure there is plenty of air movement, maybe even a small fan set on low? You want to have air flow, wind gusts. Do not crowd these and watch to not to allow them to dry out to the point they droop. We only used rain water and didn't fertilize them, the pots were half sunk so they got what then needed from the soil. Yes, I would at least try growing one to see what you can do with them. Remember these do grow slower and allow them to do what they want is the best method we have found with them. More from our research will come this fall as I don't think one year of research is an honest way to do business.

Hi all, Regarding size,my Pit.san. is about the same as Lisa's with the exception of about 4 leaves that are about 24" tall,the remaining around 10"-16",and is in an 8"pot. I'm adding 2 pics for size comparison with 2 vrieseas and ananus bracteatus,and a pic with a yard stick. This plant was purchased as a P.sanguinea,so I think thats what it is,even with a few taller leaves. Any other thoughts on a different ID? Bob

Hi Patrick, Just read your post because I've been in the moving process the last few weeks. I packed up my whole house, dog, cat, parrots and of course plants. Had moving truck probs and had my plants stuck in the back of a uhaul for 3 days straight in upper 90 degrees probably alot hotter in the truck lol. Guess what? everything actually lived!! Even the red sanguinea. (Good thing most of my plants are tropicals) The top Y broke off so I stuck it in a clear cup with water and it started rooting in the front seat of the jeep lmao! My sanguinea does not like as much direct sun but does seem to like fertilizer. It is very picky about pesticides. Luckily it doesn't seem to be bothered as much by pests as the other brugs. Mine has grown so much that I am gonna have to repot it or just stick it in the ground in a shady spot with morning sun. Even though it is hot and humid here it is really green and looks healthy I figure if it is to bloom at all here it will be in the winter. If it doesn't perhaps I will try a little polar care on the roots lol. Good luck with your babies patrick ;)