I moved and transplanted my Mexican Lime the other day. Now it is next to the Rue...It is still a bit early here for Giants but you just never know! I'm a-hoping...

"Funny Sherry I was wondering the same thing about inbreeding, never have seen any mention of it when reading about captive breeding." When I showed up here almost 7 years ago, I took some people to task about the way they were releasing large numbers of inbred giant silk moths. That went over like a lead weight so I have pretty much kept my mouth shut since then. Ladobe criticized one of our members about it last year but no one followed up on it. The quote was "Besides weakening the gene pool, forced inbreeding produces low egg viability, high malformation risk and so therefore high mortality. Not a good practice." One consequence of moth inbreeding helped cause a shift in USDA policy last month. The USDA no longer regulates interstate shipments of Bombyx mori. Those moths are so inbred they can no longer survive in the wild. I raise relatively large numbers (up to 400 of one type) of Saturniidae every year. I go to great lengths to try to make sure the wild males that my girls mate with are not the brothers or the male first cousins that I released. I also try to make sure my released males and females do not mate with each other. I do this by doing releases at least 10 miles (usually more) from my house and releasing the females and males at least 10 miles (usually more) away from each other. I used to mark my males to make sure they were not finding their way home but quit being that paranoid after years of never getting one back. I release at least 10 miles away because 7 miles seems to be the generally accepted maximum distance that a male Saturniidae can follow a female's pheromones. That said, I have seen a claim that male giant silk moths can follow female pheromones for "nearly 30" miles. YMMV I preface my next statement by saying I have no clue how this guy operates. There is a guy in Ohio that raises 3k-4k cecropias each year. I read that he has been raising them since '86. Something wiped out his cats in 2008 and he had to start over in 2009. I'm real curious if inbreeding affected his setup and I'd like to know what happens to all the moths he doesn't sell (IOW, do they get let go). As for inbreeding butterflies and affecting the gene pool, there is a lot of info/controversy on the net about it because of people raising butterflies for mass release at weddings. One related article I have posted before is linked at the end of this post. Last thought: I know of one inbred butterfly that has been studied a lot: monarchs on Hawaii. I believe around 20% of them are white now. My guess is they do alright because the favorable weather conditions don't put a lot of stress on them. They would probably have trouble with migrating to Mexico and surviving the winters there. Anyway, there is a lot of research out there about them. KC Here is a link that might be useful: All Aflutter

Hmmm. maybe I should check my hibiscus. The only time I've seen this is when the plants are up against each other, and she misses her mark. Although the GSTs lay eggs on my lakeview jasmine and the cats can't live on it (though it does appear in host plant lists in the rutacae family). But mostly the answer is no, unless the plants are very close together or entwined. In my experience anyway. Oh well, off to check the hibiscus. a couple of which are pretty near to some citrus.. Good luck with all those cats! kelly

I tried putting both lemon and lime leaves in with the current Giant cats at the time of hatching to see if they would eat both. Even though both leaf sets were new growth, the lime leaves were slightly younger. All the cats moved to the more tender lime leaves. And my neighbors lemon has stopped putting on new growth. So no real tender lemon growth for the young cats is available. Plenty of slightly tougher new growth but the GS cats are not ready for that yet. So my experiment will have to be done at another time when both trees have similar growth. I also found out that 2 other neighbors have small citrus trees tucked in their side yards that I am welcome to raid of GS cats and eggs!!! :) I've been inviting them to help release the butterflies. It's so magical to see the look of wonder and awe on peoples faces when they watch butterflies. Anna