I've never grown Joseph's Coat, though I keep threatening to get it. It was the favorite of a now deceased friend and I really want it for my garden. From your pictures, it is gorgeous and I can understand why it was his favorite.

I have grown Pinata. It's is a much smaller rose in size and flower. But I think it is also brighter and the clusters are fuller. It is more like a tall shrub or a pillar rose than a climber, but definitely gets larger clusters, much tighter than JC. The color is similar, but more orange, brighter and fades to the more vermillion. As far as disease resistance, my thoughts were that it was average, but have been told that Pinata's disease resistance is better than JC but since I've never grown JC I can't state that with any athority.

Patrick

Joseph's Coat was a bust for me. It was in the back of my garden so I'm not sure if it got lost in the crowd or what. I haven't seen that many positive remarks about it. It seems to me that it does better in California gardens.
Good luck!

Patrick, I can only tell you about how Joseph's Coat did for my mother in Piedmont NC. It was covered in BS, and eventually died from the trauma as she never sprayed. I think to grow this rose in a humid climate, you must spray. Denise

Another option to consider might be Friesinger Morgenrote aka Sunrise. The colouring is similar and the scent is good.

In my location it is very healthy, your conditions are i am sure very different.

cathy

Here is a link that might be useful: HMF- Friesinger Morgenrote

Joseph's coat can be a very beautiful rose but in the PNW it does best as a large shrub. This rose needs loving care and does better in rich or clay type soil. It also requires extra fertilizer. Yes, it is prone to BS but it still is worth spraying with a dormant oil and suphur type in the early spring before it starts to bud out . Then again in the late spring but using the weaker summer solution.
Pinata grows best as a large shrub and looks better in partial shade (which it tolerates) to perserve the different colours of the flowers. They also last longer too. I didn't like the fade out and discoloration of Pinata until I grew it in partial shade and there is definitly a difference. I honestly don't think either one of these climbers will droop or even bend as their cans are quite stiff. Friesinger Morgenrote also is happiest as a large shrub and again has stiff canes but is still a good climber. In my garden the repeat was not generous.

I have both of these roses growing separately in large pots. I planted the Pinata in 2006 and the Joseph's Coat in 2007. They are growing in like conditions. The Joseph's Coat was much leggier, had a good flush in the early summer and then an occasional flower through the rest of the summer. The Pinata was more compact and slower growing but bloomed consistently all summer. Since they are both in intense New Mexico full sun, the flowers only lasted a day or two before changing color. The flowers on Pinata were fuller than the flowers on Joseph's Coat.

Patrick,
I love the color of Joseph's Coat and it always seems to be throwing blooms (I think it is blooming now, way at the top of the trellis), but it is one of my three worst for blackspot (along with Dreamweaver Cl.and Angel Face). I spray it, and it is still spotty most of the time. It grows tall for me and is very stiff and thorny. I have it growing on a trellis with Dreamweaver, Westerland and Lace Cascade and two Kiwi vines and various clematis. The trellis is about 12 ft. and it reaches the top. The trellis faces east, and is against an outbuilding, so it gets no afternoon sun. I do fertilize it alot. I think you would like it, but it is labor intensive and would be especially so in your climate.
Good luck
Kathy

Can you handle possible BS. I cannot attest to your growing zone but here, a mess.
Of course what am I saying. YOU are the one that talked me into so many Austin's that have to be sprayed.

Carla

Beauty has its price.

It sure looks like PINATA is ahead in this race. Yes I do spray but only infrequently. I consider a rose to be disease resistant if it can maintain healthy foliage with spraying (Mancozeb) once every three weeks. ANGEL FACE certainly doesn't fall into this group. When I grew the runty Floribunda it required weekly spraying. Yes the flowers were pretty but not enough to inspire that kind of devotion. The Diva roses (Evelyn, Fair Bianca, Rouge Royale, WS2000, etc.) are another thing entirely. They inspire plenty of devotion.

Patrick, Pinata will not weep. It is really just a tall stiff shrub. I know you won't like it for a climber. The rose someone mentioned Sunrise is really exceptionally beautiful. It grows very well here with a little less disease than Joeseph's Coat. The color is softer, more interesting. You'd have to start with a band. I got mine from Vintage.

I was going to plant climbing rosa "Joseph's Coat" but so many here said it was a blackspot magnet so I forgoed it and planted "Pinata" instead back in May of this year...I have been thrilled with this rose...it's a blooming fool and no blackspot for me in my Texas zone 8B...I can't wait for it to cover my wall....The multicolor and changing colors are superb....Jeanne

So... Pinata is more of a tall shrub, then? I just bought one tonight, thinking it would be a climber. Does it need any support at all?

I just bought a Pinata @ the local Wal-Mart. They seem to have really healthy stuff this year, for a change!
I was really hoping for a Joseph's Coat but after reading these postings I think I'm better off with the Pinata. I've already changed my mind about where I'm planting it. It was supposed to go out by the pool but I'm gonna put it against the east side of a limestone house so it gets less of our hot afternoon sun.
It will be a beautiful sight from our guest bedroom windows.
I'm feeling better about this already!

I live in the PNW and my Pinata is 2 years old. I love the blooms which the plant keeps kicking out. Always a surprise when they appear because they are arresting in color!

I bought it as a climber to contrast with Sombreuil which is close by.

This rose is showing no intention of climbing and a big disappointment in that regard. I think maybe one more year to see if any type of canes appear and if not I guess it I'll move it back with Cinco de MAyo and Distant Drums. Try Sunset in it's place

I had JC a while ago and it didn't work for me. Granted it was zone 5.