Your favorite Kordes rose
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Comments (42)PZ is right that the nursery business is no picnic! I don't know any nursery personally that's singing the praises of the nursery business. One of the worst things for the smaller nurseries, at least in my opinion, are the big box stores selling plants. Especially ones that sell them at a loss just to get you to come in and buy their other crap. And some places simply have no business selling plants, like grocery stores! From what I understand, places like Home Depot don't actually pay for the plants they receive until they're sold, and the grower is required to bring them in and keep them refreshed, etc. And any returns or refunds come completely out of the grower's pockets, not HD. My partner was in the shipping business, and it was no picnic for them either to ship to these places. I don't know what the answer to all of this is, but I think diversity in nurseries is a good thing, too. But, I don't think the diversity is going to grow, I think it's going to go the other direction. Maybe it's just the business climate today that's so tough on many small businesses of all types, I'm not sure. Personally, I don't call businesses that get giant subsidies, or get no-bid contracts that they don't even fulfill are actual businesses (hear that Halliburton?). And frankly, corporations are not farmers. And much of what they produce isn't really food, nutrition-wise. Boy, have I gone off topic. Better stop here! Jim in NY, I guess I don't get on here that often, but I enjoy your rants, personally. I don't totally agree, but then, I don't have to. As far as DA roses go, he does have some wonderful roses, and many will stand the test of time, I'm sure. I'm not so wild about some of their business practices sometimes (I could say that about a lot of places!). Ah, well.... --Ron...See MoreYour favorite roses & make roses more winter-hardy
Comments (37)Joey: Very good questions. Here are what I learn about own-root roses: 1) Where they are bred and the TYPE OF SOIL & weather predicts where they will be successful. Roses bred in acidic & rainy & less sun England will be successful in acidic & high rain East coast. But roses bred in alkaline & hot & sunny Southern France will be successful in alkaline clay & sunny garden. 2) How vigorous the root is? The newly bred roses ARE VERY VIGOROUS as own-roots, and can survive BOTH Pakistan 113 F hot summer and my zone 5a winter of -20 below zero. Vigorous roots are both long (at least 2 feet deep) and spreading wide. Vigorous roots are also THICK to store water in dry summer/winter. Dee-lish can die to the crown, but the root is so deep that it can go for 1 month without watering, either through a cold & dry winter or hot summer. Dee-lish has a climber as a parent (Graham Thomas). If a rose is bred with a climber in its genetics, it will have deeper root. 3) It's the selection of the fittest. In breeding roses, there will be many seeds ... and only the fittest seed sprout up to be the most vigorous root or to be disease-resistant. The other dozen to 100 seeds either don't germinate, or sprout some wimpy plants that black-spot & less petals, or can only bloom once a year. This answer your question directly, breed roses in your cold zone and see which seed can sprout in extreme cold temp., and which seed has the deepest root to survive the winter. English roses, bred in a colder climate than France: most have climber-heritage or Old Garden Roses' genetics, and English roses are actually favored by hot climate folks in Pakistan due to the vigor of their roots. Deeper root = more weather resistant. I hang out in Facebook Fragrant Rose Lovers group, where most Pakistan posters are. English roses are favored in both extreme hot and extreme cold climate due to the toughness of their roots to survive long periods of drought....See MoreBirthday Roses! What to buy...vote for your favorites
Comments (18)Happy Belated Birthday! If you have limited space, I cannot recommend Brother Cadfael. He throws out huge canes. I now have one that is about 6 feet tall. For some reason this year he had just gotten bigger than ever. That is with severe pruning. He mostly stands about 5 feet tall. Good first bloom then sporadic afterwards. He doesn't like the heat and will bloom when it cools down. Scent to die for! Not great as a cut flower. I adore this rose and will never be without it. Here he is as a baby plant. He is very easy to start on his own root. Which is what this picture shows. Here is a more established version that I cut back to about 2 feet in January. This is his picture in May. Those rungs are 4 inches apart and the arbor starts at about 6 inches off the ground. You can barely make out the first rung. Sharifa Asma. Love that rose. Gets to be about 3--4 feet by 3--4 feet. Great first blush. Spotty afterwards. Poor rebloom until it cools down again. Scent to die for. Gorgeous blooms. Love that rose but she got the shovel prune this year. I miss her terribly. If you want a pink with beautiful cupped blooms that stays relatively "small" for an Austin in an area that has warm summers, I would recommend Pretty Jessica. She gets to be about 5 feet tall and is not very wide. Blooms well in the heat. Great rose....See MoreTell about your Kordes Roses
Comments (43)sutekesh Not exactly a fashion thing as Belami is a beautiful Kordana but a practical business decision of the Kordana growers in N. America which can only offer so many varieties in a mixed box and the pastels are less popular in general. I would buy this rose over the stronger colors, but I must be a minority in N. America. Yes you are right we did patent it. On names I sometimes have to laugh at all of this because I see posts about names and how terrible the German names are on this site. When we give it a better commercial name for the North America market or in another country then there is criticism on that. I guess there is no winning on the subject! For all the advanced rose lovers use the denomination in the case of Elegant Fairy Tale it is KORterschi. It never changes the world over. It is the legal name and all breeder rights and patents are filed under this name. You will never be confused. Plus all Kordes varieties start with the letters KOR which makes it clear who the breeder is. Same for all other breeders the varieties always start with a standard breeder code....See Morekittymoonbeam
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