Clematis intertwined with roses not on any kind of structure!

14 years ago

Hi everyone, How is it working for those of you that grow clematis up and through your roses that are not on any kind of structure? I grow several on my arbors but wanted to grow some clematis on some roses or other bushes that aren't attached to any kind of structure. Any pros and con experiences would be appreciated. Thanks a bunch, Judy

Sort by:Oldest

Comments (10)

User
14 years ago
I am also very interested in this answer. Thanks for posting it, Judy. I think integrifolas are recommended but I don't know much about them.
Terry Crawford
14 years ago
Hello, Miss Judy, how are you? I have a couple of 'MULTI-BLUE' clematis growing up through 'ALOHA', who is a climber but is strong enough to be a self-supporting tall shrub. In the early spring, I simply prune the clematis down to a set of flowering buds since it blooms on new wood and pull out the vines from the rose. Not a good deal at all...

It looks absolutely gorgeous when in bloom...those big blue clematis flowers with the salmon-pink rose blossoms.

I grow lots of clematis, including the integrifolas...I think the key is that the rose would have to be tall and strong enough to support the clematis. Also..make sure you are combining great color combos.

One I would NOT advise planting with roses is 'LADY BIRD JOHNSON'. She's so, so beautiful...but she demands her whole trellis and is quite the space hog and is overwhelming. 'BETTY CORNING' is also huge, mine is grown as a self-supporting shrub.

'PRINCESS DIANA' would be a good choice'....she's a sweet pink and is delicate...wouldn't overwhelm.
-terry
Related Discussions
Climbing roses with Clematis
Q
Comments (18)
Well generally you can prune any group to some extend, just that you have to see when to do it, if clematis blooms on old wood, then better to do it after spring bloom. The main difference for me mostly is that group 3 usually is less trouble if you neglect it for a year, since you just cut it back in spring, when the other groups can be rather annoying toothpicking, especially if it gets between the other plants. Also, you do not have to necessarily cut it back to a few inches even if it is in group 3, it is more about where you want the blooms to be. This group clematis blooms on new growth, so if you cut it lets say at 1 meter high, all the flowers will be higher up than that. It is useful if you want clematis to bloom above your shrub roses for example. In general though you have to keep in mind that clematis attaches itself with the leafstalks to the other plants and structures, so usually it is annoying to get it out of the rose no matter what pruning group it belongs to (unless you prune the rose or don't care about leftover wood). I prefer to have roses and clematis near each other, but so that only few canes/liannas mix, or plant together varieties that do not need annual pruning, just some tidying up.
...See More
clematis paired with climbing rose
Q
Comments (7)
I've got a President on the way and I am thinking about pairing it with a Dudley Cross or Abraham Darby. I was also thinking about just heading up to Brenham and picking up whatever looks good as a climber. I'm out in Katy, so I think the slightly prairie conditions might help with a colder winter, but only slightly. I guess we'll just have to try it and find out! It should be noted, though, that I intend to plant mind either on the north side of a fence or along a swingset post - I plan to put the clematis down on the east side of the post and the rose on the west side of the post, so as to shade the clem root.
...See More
What roses would you grow on this structure?
Q
Comments (15)
Kate, I love the structure. It reminds me of my grandmothers swing I'd spend time on as a child. Personally, If the structure is secure, I would replace the plastic swing that was removed with rustic/antique swing - thick rope and "aged" wood or something like that. You could then use that beautiful fence to grow some climbing roses on that would create wonderful backdrop. Other options - Unless you want to go to the work of pillaring a rose on each side of the structure you would need to modify the structure so you would have a surface to attach the main canes as horizontal as possible. Hoobv mentioned attaching wire in the middle. You could also create a three dimensional structure (arbor) by placing a similar structure in front of this and attaching it by lattice on the sides and supports at the top. As far as roses (not for a pillar, however) I would never be without Eden, aka Pierre de Ronsard.
...See More
struggling roses with old clematis
Q
Comments (31)
Rosylady… I just read that link, thank you, and I know you get it too... but can I be forgiven for wondering if the writer is perhaps in some way connected with any firm that produces this? because it sort of read that way to me, like an advertisement.. in fact I notice he used a photo from 'Mycorrhizal Applications' which supply the product... but I don't doubt what is said there, I'm just a suspicious type... They always show a picture of two plants, one with a great root system, MF treated and one without which looks poor... so I did my own experiment with this too.. I had 3 'Charles Rennie Mackintosh' roses, grafted bare roots, I planted the 3 together, 1 with MF only, the other two without MF but with my own mix of soil amendment... proprietary potting mix, plus composted manure, and small amount of organic fertilizer... It says on the MF packet that after just 4 weeks the root system starts to develop secondary feeder roots, or words to that effect, so what I did was, I gave it 6 weeks and dug up 2 of the 3 roses,... the one with soil amendment had masses of little white roots forming in the potting mix surrounding the roots, like you see in a potted rose... the one with MF only.... zilch...nada... it was exactly the same as when I planted it, still with white specs residue from the MF... It was this that turned me off the product... and I was not prepared to purchase any more then on.. I also say to people over here, think about the past how many roses and other shrubs have been planted all down the centuries, all the roses in this country, no one ever grabbed a packet of MF along the way... yet in the last 10 years apparently it's now a ''must have'' …. …. they ain't foolin' me no more... agree about the Oak trees too, lots of good MF can be had from Oak tree mulch so I understand.. Here are my 2 'CR Mackintosh' roses that I kept, neither had MF, I removed the 3rd which did as it wasn't doing well, and both of these bloomed all summer during a very hot season for us... this photo from October 15.. and bedraggled with rain..
...See More
Prettypetals_GA_7-8
Original Author
14 years ago
Hi redsox, I see Miss TJ has gave us some good suggestions. I have already ordered some clematis so I hope some of them will work good.

Hey Miss Terry, I ordered Princess Diana so I am in luck with that one. You and redsox mentioned integrifolas, what is that? I'm guessing a type of clematis. I am not sure what type I have since I ordered them haphaplessly, as I do everything, so I will try to figure out what kind they are. I just received them yesterday with some perennial geranium I had ordered. Your Aloha and Midnight Blue sounds scrumpcious!! I was hoping since I was going to add them to roses I already had and knew what color they were that I could match them with a pretty color clematis. Wish me luck!! Your friend, Judy
Terry Crawford
14 years ago
Judy, Princess Diana is an integrifola, I believe. Integrifolas have the small bell blossoms, not the big star blossoms.

HelpMeFind also has a clematis forum...you can look up different varieties on there. I also grow a luscious dark blue called 'durandii', but it doesn't twine...you have to twine it up. It will simply scramble over the ground. I even have clematis growing up through lilac bushes, up over my potting shed, over the mailbox, etc. I love them as much as roses!

One pointer about clems....they enjoy mulch at their feet, and their vines in the sun. You'll do great with them.
Don't work too hard today!
Your northern friend,
-TJ
Prettypetals_GA_7-8
Original Author
14 years ago
Thanks TJ, Diana might be the only integrifola I have then. I didn't realize they all don't twine by themselves. ARRGH! I have gotten several clems over the last few years. I have a bad obsession with plants. When I buy a new plant and love it I tend to go wild and get lots of them in all different colors. My husband thinks i'm looney! Would luuuuv to have some lilacs too. We have so many trees, which my hubby loves, so it makes it hard to have enough sun spots for everything I want. Thanks for your help, Hope you have a great day. Take care, Judy
hoovb zone 9 sunset 23
14 years ago
I didn't have a lot of luck with that technique. The clematis never seemed to get enough sun to get going.
dennisb1
14 years ago
It hasn't worked well for me. Polish Spirit engulfed Brother Cadfael and most of the other combos the clematis has yet to get going.

I moved PS over to Sombreulli. I think that may work, PS and Sombreulli are both huge and vigourous.
User
14 years ago
Judy, I should mention a big mistake I made also. I planted Rooguchi, which I love, love, love, with Reine des Violettes in its second year. Bad combo. The clematis completely engulfed the rose.

I am a complete novice at this pairing business and it seems like it takes some experience. I will have to move Rooguchi this spring, in fact, I was about to post pictures for some suggestions.

Since you are in Zone 7 I would imagine that your roses would not have as much dieback as mine in a rough winter. So your roses would be taller to prop up the clematis. Over here, I'm not yet sure how my roses will make it through the winter and if they die to the ground or just six inches, say, that is not much of a rose to climb on.

Like I said, this is all pretty new to me.

I did read in Garden Gate recently that Princess Diana can also be used as kind of a groundcover with roses and perennials and instead of staking it you could just let it run around on the ground.
Terry Crawford
14 years ago
My 'PRINCESS DIANA' doesn't require any staking at all; it's self-sufficient at just grabbing whatever is handy and twining around it. I had an old pole that a defunct satellite dish used to be mounted on...I wrapped chicken wire around it and planted PD in front of it. It covered up the eyesore pole and looks beautiful with Princess Diana in bloom.
Prettypetals_GA_7-8
Original Author
14 years ago
Thanks everyone for your experiences. I think I will try one or two and see how it does. I was wondering if the clematis started to get to, to thick I might could cut some of it out and try not to hurt the rose or the clematis if possible. I don't know!! I just wanted to try it for myself and live and learn, right?? : ))) Thanks for everything, Judy

Clematis intertwined with roses not on any kind of structure!

Comments (10)

User

Terry Crawford

Related Discussions

Prettypetals_GA_7-8
Original Author

Terry Crawford

Prettypetals_GA_7-8
Original Author

hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

dennisb1

User

Terry Crawford

Prettypetals_GA_7-8
Original Author

COMPANY

BUSINESS SERVICES

GET HELP

CONNECT WITH US

Clematis intertwined with roses not on any kind of structure!

Comments (10)

User

Terry Crawford

Related Discussions

Prettypetals_GA_7-8Original Author

Terry Crawford

Prettypetals_GA_7-8Original Author

hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

dennisb1

User

Terry Crawford

Prettypetals_GA_7-8Original Author

COMPANY

BUSINESS SERVICES

GET HELP

CONNECT WITH US

Prettypetals_GA_7-8
Original Author

Prettypetals_GA_7-8
Original Author

Prettypetals_GA_7-8
Original Author