Munstead Wood/Lady Shallot/Lady Emma Hamilton/orPrincess Anne
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Comments (12)agility_mom - You are one of the ones I wanna chat with :) I love Austins, I love the bloom form, the colors, the way they open etc... What I don't love though is the arching bush shape, so I'm so pleased that he is trying to give me my blooms on more compact plants... It's very hard looking at pictures of just the bloom to know which ones to choose without ordering 20 bareroots and just waiting to see who turns out to be a winner... For example, one of my favorites was Tamora... love the color, love the compact bush. Didn't care about the fragrance, and with only 70 petals, I wouldn't mind a bit extra... and I was crying inside to let her go from my no spray garden with her little black polka-dots... So Tamora is listed as an apricot blend. Personally I thought it was more of an orange pink blend, especially compared with some of his other apricots, but he doesn't use the orange-pink color designation, so it makes it hard to know exactly which of his new roses are closest in color to Tamora. So according to DA, the newer apricots are: William Morris Crown Princess Margareta Grace Carding Mill Tea Clipper The Shepherdess So 6 to choose from... The Shepherdess is supposed to be the shortest of these, but who knows? and which of these is more pink than yellow? So the question of which of these apricots (or other Austins that are orange pink and called pink blend) is most like the original Tamora is impossible for someone who hasn't seen all of the new specimens to know... I'm going to start individual threads about the different colors, but my question for you is out of the newer Austins, which are the most compact growers... and which are you falling in love with? TIA...See MoreLooking for some selection advice/photos!
Comments (7)Since we're in similar zones I'll share my experiences with the ones you mention with some photos, and some additional suggestions. I agree with all the previous posters that you'll have to be careful how big the roses get in our zones to make sure they'd be happy in pots. A huge Austin like Teasing Georgia or The Generous Gardener or Scepter'd Isle just wouldn't be happy in those conditions in my opinion. For hardiness, I've found all the Austins to overwinter and thrive well in my zone, and since you're a zone warmer that should be fine. I've got both grafted and own root Austins and I don't particularly notice a difference across plants. They seem to like our dry summers as long as they get sufficient rain in between the spring and fall rains. Very double roses like most Austins tend to need more water than other less voluptuous roses, and in a pot that might be more of an issue to keep track of. I don't grow much of anything in pots, so I'm not much help there. I haven't grown Boscobel but I'm interested in trying it here. I agree that Graham Thomas and Pat Austin are fairly "meh" Austins - nice when they bloom but not frequent enough for my tastes. Abraham Darby has a reputation for getting huge so I put it at the back of the bed in a prominent spot. Like Lori, mine is still tiny, but it has part shade as well as an extra cold spot of the yard to contend with. Tamora is supposed to be the compact rose and better apricot bloomer, but in my yard they're next to each other and similar heights. In a better spot, it might get huge - I have a colleague here who has one that's the lynchpin of her front garden and drop dead gorgeous. Abe Darby (after a tough winter and pruned to the ground) - you can see the waist-high yew bush dwarfs poor Abe Carding Mill - I love the color and I have two of them, the following in the somewhat better sun condition. They bloom fine and regularly, but I think under better sun they'd want to get big. This one is topping a 5' fence and it's only June Darcy Bussell - I agree that this one is a keeper. It blooms steadily in less than optimal light and usually keeps the dark color except in very high heat. It seems to like the part shade and stays no more than knee high. The Prince is nearby and does fine, but Darcy is better. I have high hopes for a Munstead Wood that I planted this spring as another dark Austin. I do have to admit that I love the bloom shape of Wm Shakespeare 2000, but he doesn't bloom often enough for me even grafted in great sun. Lady of Shalott looks to be a keeper and great for a pot. So far she doesn't seem to have quite the number of petals of some of the other Austins, but she maintains her apricot color quite well even in the heat and she stays small. I agree with other posters that one of my best rebloomers is Molineux, and I love how the blooms will morph from yellow through apricot shades depending on the heat. He's a good 5' tall for me, and he MIGHT like a pot, but it might be pushing it. Compare this shot during the same period to the nearby Carding Mill above. Queen of Sweden really wants to be 6' or more in a good year. You can see her stretching up beyond the windows already in June last year. She's a narrow bloomer so she might do OK in a pot, but with that height she might be prone to tipping. She reblooms OK for me, but not as well as the nearby Scepter'd Isle. Pretty Jessica stays small and I like the blooms, but it has taken 3 or 4 years to see any on an own root plant. It would definitely fit a pot, as would Tamora or Charlotte (though I don't get much rebloom from any of those, though Harryshoe has a gorgeous photo of Tamora bushing out). Here's Pretty Jessica. My top recommendations for pots in Kansas would be for Darcy Bussell and Munstead Wood, Molineux if he'd handle a pot, and Sharifa Asma below. She stays reliably at a 3' rounded bush, blooms frequently, and the soft pink blooms have a swoon-worthy fragrance. I seek out her and Barcelona when I want a fragrance fix. Hope this helps! As for colors, the Austins seem to blend so well together in both shape and tone that I wouldn't worry too much about blending in. I might not put a dark pink next to an apricot immediately - perhaps a soft pink or yellow in between - but I think whatever will do well in your pots would be fine. Besides, you can always rearrange them if they're in pots and you change your mind. Have fun Cynthia...See MoreLoving my Lady of Shallot + tips on another peach DA
Comments (27)They are hard to come by on fortuniana. Only K&M carries them and Cool Roses in Palm Beach has a few, but they recently said they were going to stop carrying them because of high royalties or something. I was so bummed because I got most of mine from them. K&M is really pricey when you add shipping to it. But it's worth the extra $$$ because on fortuniana they can last for years and years. The longest I've ever been able to keep any rose on Dr. H alive is 3 years. My Darcy Bussel was doing well until now. I have ONE Austin still going strong (on Doc) after ordering from them 3 years ago and that one is Wollerton Old Hall and its showing no signs of slowing down. I think growing them in large pots works well, even if you only get 3 years out of them that's still a lot of blooms. My oldest Austin on fortuniana is Evelyn and she's easily 9 feet tall. She grows like a climber bare legged till about 8 feet and then all leaves and buds on top. It's not the most attractive habit, but she pumps out the looms like crazy so no complaints here. :) With the exception of Dick Clark and Easy Does It, all of my Austin's out perform my HTs I'll be trying some own root from now on however (if I can't get them on Fortuniana) because I think some own roots actually do better for me. Just not sure about putting them in the ground....See MoreLady of Shallotte or lady Emma Hamilton?
Comments (20)R, I can't tell you whether or not this will be a success, but last month dug out a specimen of LEH that was staying very small planted out in my front garden and potted her up to put by my front door. I'm not sure whether or not she will respond well to this treatment, but since she has been a compact grower for me and is also reported by Austin to be suitable for pots, I suspect she will do well. Great fragrance. Sean, I also love Gertrude Jekyll and Munstead Wood! Such great roses!...See Moreingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
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