White Blend Rose ID (White Radiance???)

nanito

14 years ago

IDENTIFICATION CARD

PLANT

Type: Bush.

Size: Up to 6.56Â´(2.00 mt) tall and 3.28Â´(1.00 mt) wide.

Stems: tic, strong, rigid. The new stems have a characteristic redish colouring.

Habit: Tall and dense bush, very very thorny.

FOLIAGE

Shape:-

Color: Dark green, dull (not glossy).

Size: Big.

FLOWERS

Features of the bud: Small light pink buds. As the buds open you can see its conic centre light pink blended that never opens completely (according to this description I was said this rose could be Â´White RadianceÂ´, but it is scentless).

Diameter: 4.72" x 4.72" (12 cm x 12 cm). No simetry.

Flower: Big, no simetry. Very similar in appearance to varieties like "Red Radiante" or "Pink Radiante", but has no scent.

Â¿How does it bloom?: Solitary and in posies of up to 3-4 flowers in Autumn and up to 8-9 in spring (see pictures).

Â¿How many times does it flower?: Taking into account that the rose grows in a neighboring old garden I do not have the exact information, but it has a really abundant and long lasting blooming in spring and during the fall season.

Number of petals and shape: 36 petals.

Stamen Yes/ No: It is impossible to apreciate them because the flower never opens completely.

Color: White blend. Light pink centre.

Lenght of the flower: High.

Fragance: None to mild fragance.

Resistance: It seems to be a very vigorous and healthy cultivar.

THANKS for your time! Mariano.
{{gwi:317326}}White blend rose ID

Comments (3)

wesley_butterflies
14 years ago
even with your detailed hints and great pics findning this roses reg name isn't going to be easy
feed back: of 25 possible types/class Bush is not one of them.
Ill keep looking as time allows
Thanks Wes
nanito
Original Author
14 years ago
Hello Wesley! First of all THANK YOU VERY MUCH for your reply; I have posted this message in many forums of Garden Web, as well as other Rose Forums (the Spanish Forum InfojardÃn, Peter Beales Discussion Forum and several websites such as HMF and Ashdown Roses) but I have not received any appropiate identification yet. In fact I have been trying to identify this rose since last year. That is why I have many pictures and detailed information.
What I mean with "Bush Type" is that the rose grows and forms a dense bush, in reference to the growht habit of the plant but I think it may be a very primitive HT.
Some time ago this year, Bruna Talodini, a retired professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology from Italy who is pretty interested in roses and in their history, was trying to find some information on the firm Gaetano Bonfiglioli e figlio, a breeder/nursery who worked in Bologna (the town where he lives in Italy) in XIX-XX century. Among his production there are Â´Variegata di BolognaÂ´, Â´Clementina CarbonieriÂ´, Â´GarisendaÂ´ and other lost or almost lost roses. Going through papers at the Camera di Commercio of Bologna he managed to find the story of the firm and, interestingly, he found that it had commercial interests in South America, in particular in Argentina. From 1920 to 1937 Enrico Bonfiglioli and many of his staff went here many time.
So it may well be that, besides rose from french nurseries, in Argentina there might be also roses from Bonfiglioli, possibly lost roses of this firm (Â´Ricordo di GiosuÃ¨ CarducciÂ´, for example). So this could be another research line to take into account, but I am really confused and it has been many years and I still cannot identify it properly

Anyway, THANKS again for your time and interest and keep in touch!
Mariano
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Mariano, I'm sorry to see that you haven't received any replies yet. I'm not sure about the ID of this rose, although it does look rather familiar, perhaps because of its similarity with Radiance. But there are obviously many pink HT-type roses. If no one here can help, I suggest that you post the same question and pictures on the main rose forum, and on the Peter Beales rose forum (England). Peter Beales is one of the world's leading rose experts and carries a famous collection of old and "classic" roses. You can find the Peter Beales discussion forum tab on the top bar or their main sales website. Post your query in the subforum "professional advice" - that's where their staff (inc. Paul Zimmerman from Ashdown Roses, btw.) will hopefully be able to help you - they're extremely knowledgeable, and they have successfully identified roses for me in the past. You could also email Ashdown Roses/Paul Zimmerman. It is a very pretty rose. Good luck! Andrea Here is a link that might be useful: Peter Beales roses
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Dear esteemed members, After more than 5 years, I am pretty sure that the pink blend rose is the white sport of “Madame Caroline Testout”, HT “Admiral Duwey” (1899). Although I have just received some pictures from the Sangerhausen, they were enough for me to identify my unknown rose as this old “Madame Caroline Testout” white sport. I would possibly discard some other related roses, such as “Frau Dr. Krüger” since it has golden-yellow undertones, borne mostly solitary and occasional repeat later in the season. My rose does not have golden-yellow undertones, usually blooms in clusters and has a profuse fall bloom. HT “Grossherzogin Victoria Melitta” has white or white blend flowers with a yellow center and a strong fragrance, while the unknown rose has not any yellow coloring and none to mild fragrance. “Mme Gustave Metz” could have been another possibility but it is too pink, at least in my humble opinion. Furthermore, it has a long pointed form while the unknown rose is more globular. “La Favourite” was also a globular HP, related with “Mme. Caroline Testout” and its descendants, with globular form and it is a good fall bloomer (like my rose), but it has a deep rose color that turns soft pink as the rose ages. Having said that, I am quite sure that the found rose from that old garden in BA is HT “Admiral Duwey” (John H. Taylor, 1899), although some more pictures would help me to confirm this properly. Any contribution would be highly appreciated. Greetings from Buenos Aires!
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wesley_butterflies
14 years ago
I am only going to comfirm that you do infact have a very rare and very hard to find rose from the 1920's to 1940 time area on intro dates.
Lets try to get a closer look inside for 2010 how to do that is in your email. It isn't as primative as you think but Bruna Talodini was so darn close all he had to do was smell it hopefuly he'll soon be able to. Color it pretty and do whats right. I hold that idea as sacret here for emegancy use only someone would of wanted it that way
keep in touch too.
Wes

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