Crepuscule!

I don't grow it here, but maybe Madame Alfred Carriere might do the trick. It gets fairly large and blooms a lot from what I understand. Maybe someone else who has it can offer a supplementary opinion.

Madame Alfred Carriere gets very large indeed. I would give it as wide a pergola as you can manage. 5' would be better than 3'.

Here she is in a spot that proved to be way way too small for her...

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You've a lovely house! Ours is made of similar brick and I too have had to think carefully about what can hold up to hot bricks in August. Though Crepuscule would indeed be attractive against that color, it is semidouble and as such the blossoms are likely to look ragged by the end of a hot day. For a yellowish color I would take William Allen Richardson. For a white, Lamarque. In my experience, the flowers of both hold up well to heat. Madame AC is also fine though the flowers for me don't reflect light the way Lamarque does and for that reason may make less of an impression in a sunny and exposed sight. Anyway, have fun making your choice.

Connie,

A couple are coming to mind..but, as you know, I'm speaking from research and not actual experience...yet...

Duchesse d'Auerstadt
Crepuscule
Desprez a Fleures Jaune
Reve d'Or
New Dawn
Alister Stella Gray

Robert

E. Veyrat Hermanos?

Hmmmm . . . a few of these look pretty promising.

I was considering New Dawn or Reve d'Or. I also thought about Lamarque. Duchesse d'Auerstadt looks interesting. William Allen Richardson, Crepuscule, and MAC seem like they may be too bushy for this spot.

What about Cl. Cecile Brunner? or Renae? maybe Cl. Old Blush?

How do these roses finish? I think it really spoils the look of things to have dead blooms hanging around.

All of this planning is completely out of character for me. I'm much more of a buy-what-I-like-and-ask-questions-later sort of gardener. When it comes to gardening right by the house, I'm trying to be a bit more deliberate. (Thanks for the compliment on the house, BTW -- we've been working on its restoration for 5 years now. Oh, the stories I could tell . . . but that's for another forum.)

Any more opinions?

Blessings,
Connie

Connie, love the house. We live in an old house, too. It is truly a story a unique experience, isn't it?

From what I know of New Dawn, I'm not sure anything would kill it, least of all a little heat. I have two languishing in pots right now and can take all sorts of abuse.

I have Reve d'Or on an archway in front of the house where it gets full sun almost all day in Louisiana heat. It seems to love it, it is still blooming now. I can't imagine that the extra heat from the brick would bother it. I'm a real fan of this rose, it is very vigorous and just does not stop blooming.

I just love MAC, but she is more bushy for me than Reve d'Or. MAC is the best-smelling rose I've ever smelled and she blooms a lot, as well.

Cl. Cecile Brunnner gets huge, is fragrant, tough and beautiful. Because the flowers are small, dead flowers hanging on are not that much of a problem. But, be sure to get the kind that reblooms, since both are in commerce. I have one now that hasn't bloomed since I bought it months ago and at a previous house had one with continued flushes of bloom, especially if fertilized. You're right, Crepuscule is too bushy for that location, it's almost shrub-like. I have Ley's Perpetual which is supposed to be a superlative rose, but I've only had it for a few months. Please let us know what you end up choosing, and hope to see pictures next year.

Ingrid

Another vote for Reve d'Or-- has flexible canes and few thorns, easy to work with. The blooms will hang down overhead on your pergola. I had mine on a 9 foot rustic arch and it covered the arch quickly. This is one of the great tea-noisettes, lovely fragrance & clean foliage. The folks at ARE and Chamblees both rave about Lamarque so now it's on MY list! Another which repeated well thru the heat was Royal Sunset but it's a LOT stiffer & thornier. That is, if you can live with apricot tones against your brick. hmmmm

While Rev d'Or is a wonderful rose, I'm not sure it will get as big as you'd like for the pergola. Ours in the cemetery has taken years to reach halfway across an arch about 8 ft tall by ten ft wide. I keep picturing New Dawn or Awakening on your pergola, because of their vigor and repeat bloom.
Anita

it is semidouble and as such the blossoms are likely to look ragged by the end of a hot day.

Not at all! Mine is full blazing sun

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Crepuscule gets too bushy? I don't think so. Mine is on a pergola and I think it likes it there. By the way, it is still blooming in December.

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Hi Connie,
I think you NEED a Mme Alfred Carrière!
Looks at her, in the Cottage Garden brick wall at Sissinghurst Castle & Garden, in Britain. (picture from the web)

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Also 'Crépuscule'is a very good choice. ;o)

Ciao!

Connie,

All of these are wonderful suggestions. I have to say that the Reve d'Or that I have would certainly cover your pergola. It has grown rapidly, is easily trainable and as it ages, the rebloom gets better and better. Crepuscule does want to be wide and bushy. I love that rose but it would require some judicious pruning/training to keep it at a width of 4 feet. The happy thing is that there are few thorns. I don't grow MAC but I have always wanted to, such a beauty! So many choices. I love climbers and I struggle to find places for all of the ones that I would love to grow since I have a small garden. I'm sure you will decide on one that speaks to you and seems to say "buy me".

Carol

MAC is a good choice which others have suggested.

Here is a rose that I love, known for taking the heat and looking drop dead gorgeous even on a Home Depot shed so imagine how it will look on your beautiful home. There used to be one in Lyon, 75 feet, as many years old and sporting 50,000 blooms at its peak.
Just a thought...
la

Here is a link that might be useful: Gloire de Dijon on my Home Depot shed.

ceterum,
We have a house on the coast outside Genoa and one in Arkansas close to the river. The heat in the American south, much of Viriginia as well as Arkansas, is rough on some flowers in a way that I have never seen in Italy. I suspect it has something to do with the humidity. I know what I am talking about.

Luanne, is your GdD grafted or own root?
Anita

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Prosperity has nice sweeping form and handles my Florida heat admirably. She is constantly in bloom as a bonus!

I'm curious to know whether anyone around here (Virginia) has successfully grown Gloire de Dijon. And, if so, what would be the dimensions of a mature specimen? And, finally, from where was the clone?

robert

Rinaldo's comment about the different quality of heat is very intriguing. I live in dry, hot heat akin to a furnace in the summer - it can be 108 degrees, with 20 percent humidity. Crepuscule's flowers turn crisp in a day. I can understand that they don't do that in other parts of the country, including the San Francisco Bay Area, but they certainly do it here.

It's not just how hot it gets, it's also the humidity and, perhaps, the latitude. I'm always struck by how far south I live compared to many parts of Europe, or even the top part of the US.

Here, I would never put Crepuscule on a south-facing brick wall - "full, blazing sun" has a different meaning than it has for many others of you. That's one of the things fun about this forum, learning how conditions differ.
Anita

Rinaldo, I garden in coastal NC (USA) so I do know what heat and humidity is, believe me. We have very high humidity here practically all the time, with the exception of a few days and nights in the winter. I still recommend Crepuscule, because I haven't seen either crisping or petal burning on this plant.

Gloire de Dijon is also a beautiful plant. Mine is from Pickering - true though that this plant suffered substantial cane loss after the big Easter freeze. If it is not going to recover, I will replace with a new GdD from Pickering in 2009. But, poor plant with the remaining 1 and 1/2 cane keeps blooming, so I give it time.

Robert, if you consider Gloire de Dijon, get it grafted. As far as I know Gloire and Marechal Niel are much better grafted.

I live in East Texas, it can get very hot in summer here, and high humidity. I also recommend Crepuscule whose foliage stays pretty without spray and has beautiful blooms. I also recommend the hot pink climber Parade. I had one in a gallon pot that I neglected while in nursing school..barely having time to give it water. When I planted it by an arbor, it leapt into action, and last year was just spectatular. It is in full, hot sun all time time, grows and blooms wonderfully. Rosarium Utersen is another very good one, clean folliage that doesnt need to be sprayed. Also, Clair Matin, a pale pink, is very healthy and blooms all the time for me. Dortmond is another good one to consider.
Judith

Connie,
My Rosarium Utersen and Clair Matin are both beautiful, but are showing NO signs that they would be able to cover your pergola. RU hasn't even gotten to the top of a tripod in three years. CM is more bushy for me.

Robert

Mine came from Wayside Gardens and was grafted. All the plants that I got from them did very well Cecile Brunner Spray, Blanc Double de Coubert, Gloire de Dijon Yves Piaget etc. I have sense heard negative feedback on that nursery but my luck was good with them except for their azaleas...
la

I grew a grafted Gloire de Dijon from Pickering for about 5 years until a more severe than normal winter killed it. It was very beautiful and fragrant. Here it was not so vigorous because it defoliated from blackspot and never got more than 6-7' tall. Slightly more south and warmer, with fungicide spraying, it would probably do much better.

Connie, another rose I'd consider, although I have no idea about how it would do there, is Secret Garden Musk Climber...the scent alone is wonderful.

Robert

That dark wall would look nice with a very light rose.

I grow crepuscule. She is one of my favorites. But, will she be large enough? Mine gets pretty large but it's Florida and they all tend to be larger here. Just a thought.

Rosarium Uetersen is a very difficult color and I am not sure that it would look good with the color of the brick behind and above it.

Connie, whatever or whichever you choose, stick to your original idea regarding that the rose should finish well; that is to say: find one that you do not have to deadhead. It is a real pain to deadhead roses on a pergola. Prosperity and Crepuscule are 'self- cleaning'; a great bonus for me because I seem to deadhead all the time and I still see a lot of ugly brown spent blooms all over in the yard. Or, hips forming as soon as after the first flush that slows down repeat.

However, I agree, Crepuscule would want to be wider that 4Â. I had no problem to wrap around the post and train upwards but on the top of the pergola it is spreading. My pergola is 12 feet wide, so itÂs OK till Gloire de Dijon will demand its place.

Surprisingly (for me, that is) Jaune Desprez forms hips very early on, so I try to deadhead this rose as much and as soon as I can but that is not an easy task with a huge and thorny rose. Other than that it is an excellent rose, does not require spraying and has lovely blooms.

How about Buff Beauty? Grafted, if you want fast growth and good repeat soon.