Angela, where do you live ? You don't need to give me your house number, street name, neighborhood or even city, just an idea of Upstate New York, South Florida, or something similar. I have grown and/or grow all of those roses but you probably know they will be different in different zones, the reason I am asking.

Sorry about that. I live in Memphis, TN. Thanks!

Regardless of size and aesthetic concerns, bear in mind that your house is more valuable than a rose. Make sure you allow space for access for painting, window washing, and other maintenance. If you don't, your roses will suffer - - by trampling and, most likely, removal.

Angela, all these roses will get pretty big and Cass is right, think about your house. I have had to cut Crepuscule back twice for the house to be painted, had it cloroxed for cleaning mildew off the brick, etc., but it always comes back in all its glory, but I live in Central Alabama, so things grow faster and more notoriously large here than in your area.

Having said that, Kaye from Arkansas, probably has climate similar to yours and I do hope she will check in and respond.

Cornelia wants to grow like a fountain and you can pretty much train her as a great climber but IMHO Felicia is nothing like Cornelia. It grows straight up, does not get very tall and is very, very stiff. I have seen Jon's from England and I am amazed seeing the way it grows and wonder if we, in this country (I got mine from ARE) are growing the same rose as Felicia that is being grown in England.

New Dawn will be a houseeater, so count on it.

I can tell you that most roses will "lean to the sun," and therefore, somewhat pull themselves away from the confines of the house in order to pull to the sun, so just getting the root away from the foundation is important.

I find Crepuscule (now that it is a big rose) is easy as it is thornless, to pull away and bundle while painting. I have Jaune Desprez near the corner of my house and would think your Celine is probably going to be positioned similarly.

I think my roses are 2-3 feet from the house and we tie them to "home made" trellises (hot wire) that we have attached to the brick. Those commercial trellises will give way with big roses like this.

Most of your roses will want to "spread" as well as "climb," so that will give you that full look and they will appear to be right against the house although they are not.

I hope all this makes sense.

LeVesuve can be contained if you plant it close to the foundation.

Angela, ignore the above. I mean "hog wire," not "hot wire."

Felicia sounds it doesnÂt take up alot of width...is that correct? That would be fine. I donÂt have to have a climber on both sides of the porch. I can have Cornelia on one side and if Felicia doesnÂt want to Âclimb on the other that would be fine, unless it is going to grow really wide and bushy. That might be a problem. It could just stand up in front of the corner of the porch and be okay. I may plant a vine to one side of it to climb up the corner of the porch and fill in a bit of the space visually.

New Dawn being a house eater is perfectly fine. I think. LOL! It will be against the back of a garage that is 25' wide and has nothing yet planted there. I would like to espalier it against the wall if that is possible.

I do really like the look of an espaliered rose more than a huge bushy one that is completely eating a structure. ThatÂs just my personal preference. Is it possibly to control that effect with a rose that tends to get bushy by limiting the number of canes and training accordingly? Or is that just going to stunt its growth?

2-3' feet from the house sounds like alot, but I would guess it really isnÂt once the rose has grown after a couple of years. IÂll take this advise seriously and plant accordingly. I do want to be able to pull them away for any maintenance. My husband is very concerned about that, so he will be thrilled if I plant them farther from the house rather than closer.

I plant to use something like eyebolts? to attach the roses to the house. I will certainly try to give them enough slack to breathe and move a bit.

All of this is somewhat difficult as I am a very visual person. It would be great if I could stand in someone elseÂs yard and see an established rose growing exactly like I want to grow mine and plant accordingly. Since that is not likely to happen right now, I will just do as best I can with guessing. I have done a ton of research but nothing is as good as actually being there. You just really canÂt tell from pictures and I am sure that they are usually taken to show everything at its best and not the real mechanics of planting.

Also, one side of the front of my house gets quite a bit more shade than the other. I am planting Celine Forestier, Gruss an aachen & Cornelia on that side because it sounds like they can do well in partial shade. I know they wonÂt do as well as they would in the sun, but they should do okay?

Barring any success with some of these roses, I can always move them to another location. Correct? I am trying to make the most informed decisions possible, but I know that there are bound to be mistakes along the way and that is just part of gardening. Better to have planted and lost than to have never planted at all....which is what I have been doing for years, so I am ready to really dig in and try.

Thanks so much!!!
Angela

Angela, how far from the foundation depends in part on how deep your eaves are. If your roses are directly underneath the drip line, the blooms could be damaged when it rains--good guttering helps. Also, it can be dry under the eaves. The roses will be easier to care for if they are out enough to be watered by rainfall. I put my roses on trellises that are secured to 12 foot poles, and just far out enough that I can walk BETWEEN the rose and the house. Even out by the deck we attached the trellis to posts-- that way we can cover it when we have to reseal the deck. I love the roses you chose, enjoy them!