Looks like Cecile Brunner to me.

Does it have maroon stamens? Let's see a photo of an open bloom.

open bloom 1

open bloom 2

open bloom 3

open bloom 4

and last pic open bloom 5
do you know real name?

thank you very much

after open bloom it full bloom nearly wilt

nearly wilt bloom another pic
thank you very much

I hope my pic fine enough to know real name of this rose.
I want to know real name of this rose so much.

I would guess Cecile Brunner also.

Kate

Excellent photos! I agree that it looks like Cecile Brunner. How big are the blooms, and does the plant grow very large?

I have some doubt about this being Cecile Brunner since this rose has a more "ragged" appearance. The buds especially have a fuller, less elegant appearance. It also doesn't look like my Marie Pavie, but I have no idea what it actually could be.

Ingrid

Just for comparison, here is a photo of some very happy blooms on 'Mlle. Cecile Brunner, Cl' -- in Northern California. This plant is pruned down to a bush, but is pretty gorgeous in springtime.

Do look closely at the leaves, to see if they match. See the elliptical shape of the leaflets -- and the way the leaflets behind the terminal one sweep forward. Take a look at the stamens in the open blooms, to see if they seem to match your rose.

Jeri

The rose in the original post reminds me of 'Marie-Jeanne'. I can't say for sure that's what it is, but the foliage doesn't seem the same as that of 'Mme Cecile Brunner'.

:-)

~Christopher

Here is a link that might be useful: 'Marie-Jeanne' at HelpMeFind

Yes, now I notice the un-named rose seems to have glossier foliage than my Cecile Brunners. I still would like to know the size of the blooms.

most size of bloom is 2-3.5cm (line pass circle of bloom)
size of bloom of this rose bigger regular miniature rose slightly.
but smaller my another rose floribunda valentine slightly.

It rarely to size of bloom close my floribunda valentine.
and size never bigger floribunda valentine.

I wonder and confuse about of this rose's name because
most regular tree merchant when see my rose

They call it Marie Pavie but I feel It not look like Marie Pavie
when I look example pic of Marie Pavie (many pic)
I feel It look like cecile brunner more

There are only boss of old rose nursery only call It
cecile brunner

I reallly grateful for everyone's assistance
Thank you very much

leave of this rose it have some damage from insect
because I can't use insectcide

bush of this rose
It height and width nearby floribunda valentine

rose bouquet
It have numerous bloom normal is 3-4 blooms
but sometime It have near 20 blooms at end of big rose branch

It have sub rose branch which have 3-5 blooms many branch
concentrate at end of big rose branch

Nothingness, could you get a photo of a whole leaf, showing particularly the lower leaflets, and MOST particularly the stipule (the part I circled, in this photo).

Jeri

I'm sorry for I late
can you see? Jeri

pic2

last pic

Does anyone think this could be a Noisette? Or is it definitely a Polyantha?

I'm still trying to figure these things out.

Thanks,
Virginia

Virginia -- I don't think it's a Polyantha, because I see no telltale hints of multiflora showing up in the stipule.

Those two backward-facing leaflets make me think there's some Tea in there.

My mind is now drifting in the direction of the cluster-flowering Noisettes -- or maybe some Tea-Noisette that I don't grow.

I'm not suggesting it's one of the two below, but maybe something of these types?

Jeri

Thank you very much for your diligence Jeri

I think this rose may be noisette too
after I saw blush noisette.
but It height 120cm-200cm my rose height and width nearby valentine
I think It rather look like roseville noisette

Last this rose seem not cecile brunner. but I still love it.
It very very resistance although I can't use insectcide
and this rose
it hard to be rose disease in hot weather and high humid
(My rose is in Thailand)

I know that it hard to know real name of this rose.
this old garden rose sale in my country so long
and no one know real name. It call various names.

in present It oldish to be rare rose
and rarely tree merchant will have this rose for sale
and must be old merchant to know this rose
(but still not know real name)

most rose gardener don't know this rose
they know english rose more

Thank you very much again Jeri and everyone

This post was edited by nothingness on Sun, Oct 12, 14 at 8:00

Looking at the HelpMeFind database, it looks like there may be more than one rose going by the name of 'Champney's Pink Cluster' (the first Noisette), but this rose looks like at least one of them.

That rose dates to the early 1800's, and by 1844, Mr Buist wrote that it was "universally cultivated".

Since your rose is pretty old, it seems that this could be a good possibility, but it's also possible that this is an old variety that is no longer in commerce.

I thought at first that the flower looked like 'Princesse de Nassau', but your rose looks too pink, and the buds don't look long and slender enough...

Whatever its name, it's very beautiful, and I'm glad you shared your photos of it.

Best regards,
Virginia

Here is a link that might be useful: photo of 'Champney's Pink Cluster'

I'm thinking China rather than tea-probably a mini.
Jill

As a parent? Or this rose itself?

You make me wish we could see the plant. :-)

Jeri

you come In the end Jeri
Thank you very much Jeri for your assiatance
you have so skillful really

I think roseville noisette look like with my rose about 80%-90%
(It nearest with my rose)

And Virginia I glad to you like my rose
Thank you very much

One thing is -- there are many, many, many roses which are sports or seedlings of 'Champney's Pink Cluster.' It seems to have been a prolific parent, and all of those that I have grown were strong garden plants.

If it doesn't have a name, you give it a study name. :-)

Hi there Nothingness,
what part of the world do you live in?
Perhaps someone else who lives in the same county or shire bought the same rose and you might find them at a local rose society. Also, if you live in a cold climate, I believe your rose may possibly be less likely to be a China or Noisette, though it could be related to one of those classes.
I've grown or cared for in a public garden, all the roses mentioned so far on this thread and am of the opinion that, your rose isn't any of those.
Although the foliage and pedicals are quite different, the bloom shape and color makes me wonder if your rose is related to Mlle. Cecille Brunner' which has been in commerce since 1881, perhaps someone might do a search on helpmefind.com of roses bred from Cecille Brunner, or open pollinated seedlings of it.

Anyhoo, I went to the vintagegardens.com website which is a very good reference, though the nursery is closed. I looked at all the photos available on Polyantha roses and didn't see your rose there.

by the way, I have a few questions that might help i.d. it,
How old is your rosebush?
-what is the largest it has ever been?
which climate zone do you live in?

is your rose fragrant at all?
-is it sweetly fragrant?
-or does it have a spicy scent,
or a combination of the two scents?

I love your rose and sure hope you find out its name, I like the thought of a study name; I'd suggest 'Grace',
for it is full of grace.

Good luck and best wishes in your endeavor,
Lux.

To Lux
Thank you for your help
I think this rose may be find real name
but I still be answer information for you

How old is your rosebush?
1 year with near 6 months
I mean still I bought from tree shop
until now when I bought It's wild rose which install this rose's bud and have small size

-what is the largest it has ever been?
largest of this rose is nearby or equal valentine

which climate zone do you live in?
I don't know zone but It is thailand
and rose live in middle capital city
I think hot climate

is your rose fragrant at all?
-is it sweetly fragrant?
-or does it have a spicy scent,
or a combination of the two scents?

I not sure about scent but it moderate fragrance
I think scent similar to antique incense of thailand
or antique purfume of thailand
sometime near damask rose