Maman Cochet
She is the prettiest of our Tea roses but also the stingiest with her blooms. OTOH they are wowsers when they open to perfection. Very healthy bush too.
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leezen4u
9 years agoThe blooms may ball some when it's wet and foggy but most of the time they open well.
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Comments (6)Very pretty! I've never heard of that one. Looks a little like my Headliner, I love the pink shading. Andrea...See MoreHow large do Maman Cochet's blooms get?
Comments (4)I'm still getting (rare) tiny blooms.. Yes it is hot, the rose is in a black plastic 4g pot on hardscape and still quite young (though budded) but.. I'm starting to question its id although I have not had a mislabeled (vs misidentified) rose from Beales yet. It looks more like a China than a Tea to me.. sort of.. The buds appear and open up in no time resulting in tiny messy blooms. I have pinched off the current crop of buds but will post pics of the next ones here in an effort to verify its id....See MoreSunburned 'Cl. Maman Cochet'?
Comments (8)Hi Melissa, can girdlers can affect the plant's ability to push water upward as they interrupt the cambium, the circulatory system of the plant. They eat the cambium, leading to the death of the tissues above their damage. Water stress probably attracts the girdlers as they seem to attack stressed plants faster and worse than non stressed ones. The best defense against sun burn is shade...whether it's from adjacent plants, the specific plant's foliage, temporary structures placed close enough to them to afford relief or trunk paint, such as is often used in orchards to prevent sun scald on the trunks. Any white latex paint should suffice. If the Cl Maman Cochets are receiving irrigation, there are dissolved salts in that water. They build up in the soil due to evaporation and the plants' use and can become toxic very quickly. As the salts concentrate, the foliage color and size as well as the amount and quality of growth are quickly affected, causing the plants to be off color, foliage smaller and less dense and the wood to age more rapidly. Hopefully there is some sort of organic mulch on the gray clay to help insulate it against the direct sun rays, keeping it cooler, reducing surface evaporation and water loss. If at all possible, I would recommend creating berms around the plants to hold water, so it can percolate through the roots to help expel carbon dioxide from the roots; hydrate the plant and surrounding soil and help flush the salt build up from the root zone. Add the insulating mulch layer which will break down, generating Humic Acid, which will help condition the clay, improving its tilth and releasing the salts and other locked-up minerals. You may have to figure out something to shield the canes from the worst of the sun exposure or paint them with the white (or other light colored) latex paint. There are horticultural trunk paints specifically formulated for this use and they may be less toxic to the environment than traditional house paint, but when you are backed into a corner, you have to use what you can obtain. You can also probably figure out some way to use stakes and old bed sheets or tee shirts to provide some sun relief for the affected canes. They might not be pretty, but there are definitely ways to help protect an ailing plant until it can recuperate and overcome what ails it. Good luck!...See MoreMaman Cochet-how bad does it ball?
Comments (10)Let me explain. My climate is warm to cool from fall to spring when it usually is quite humid (65 to 95% relative humidity depending on weather and time of day). It is warm to hot in the summer (middle of June to end of September) when air humidity is usually low. MC balls all the time from fall to spring while it doesn't in the summer. The problem is it doesn't bloom much during the summer and what blooms I get are small and insignificant. Best blooms are during the cooler seasons but then they mostly ball... In the rare instances when we get some cool and dry weather then its blooms are very nice. But it's rare in my climate. No need for rain, of which we get very little, to ruin MC's blooms. Air humidity and night dew is enough. I guess that in a cool winter desert climate things will be different. My only rose which balls more than MC is Tipsy. But Tipsy blooms nicely during the warmer drier season.....See More
jerijen
9 years agoI think she will bloom more generously for you when the plant is really mature.
Jeri
leezen4u
9 years agoLet's hope so Jeri because I can't get enough of her blooms! You have been spot on with your advice... so I am patient, sorta......
She has not started to spread out yet like the MC in your picture. I saw how big she'll get when we visited the Sac Cemetery but when we visited the spring bloom was over.
ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
9 years agojerijen
9 years agoThat plant in the photo I posted is the one from the Sacramento City Cemetery -- so it is probably about 19 years old. Also, they don't hard-prune their Teas -- and it does make a difference. The plants are big, and graceful, and bloom beautifully.
When I first saw, there, what Tea Roses CAN be, it simply changed my life.
Jeri
Vicissitudezz
9 years agojaspermplants
9 years agoMolineux
9 years agojacqueline9CA
9 years agoMy Niles Cochet is rather upright also, but it is only about 8 years old, so still a teenager. I love the color combination.
Just to show you how I never pay any attention to what rose color looks good next to what (the good combinations in my garden are all lucky accidents), I foolishly planted it right next to Grandmother's Hat, and they sort of clash. However, I planted a bunch of baby roses in a row in that bed, and my plan is that they will all intermingle, and it won't matter.
Jackie
jerijen
9 years agoVicissitudezz
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Kippy
9 years agojerijen
9 years agoOh, I don't find a comparison bet. Niles Cochet and Mons. Tillier. I guess Niles is bigger overall, in that he not only gets tall, but spready. For me, Mons. T is smaller, but that may be environmental. It's not in a good place. I should remove it, really.
As for Maman C -- I have a feeling that she can be very, very big, if allowed to be.
There's likely a hundred years in age (or close to it) between the Maman Cochet (shown lower) and the Niles Cochet (shown upper). The habit is the same, but Niles in this case is far bigger.
luxrosa
9 years agofloridarosez9 Morgan
9 years agojerijen
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