A Dozen OGR's

16 years ago

A Dozen Roses. Who came up with that one?

I was surfing around my favorite rose websites, avoiding what I was supposed to be doing. I ended up on Heirloom, clicked the "Old Garden Rose" link and counted the categories. Eleven. Wow. Almost a dozen. Then I realized they were missing the Tea class. A dozen OGR classes! In alphabetical order, as Heirloom does it, they are:

1. Albas

2. Bourbons

3. Centifolias

4. Chinas

5. Damasks

6. Gallicas

7. Hybrid Perpetuals

8. Mosses

9. Noisettes

Polyanthas
Portlands
Teas

Without getting into arguments or hair-splitting about what constitutes an OGR class, let's go by Heirloom's list and all pretend we have the climate to grow ONE member from each class. What would YOUR bouquet of a dozen roses look like?

Take your time figuring it out. I, for example, am very unfamiliar with the Albas, Mosses, and Centifolias. I'm doing lots of reading at Vintage trying to figure out which of each I would grow.

Incidentally, those of you who only go for repeaters, according to Vintage, there are repeaters in every class except the Gallicas, though the Centifolias barely make it because Vintage lists only one rare found rose as a repeating Centifolia.

I thought this would be fun. It's not like or unlike the other games I've seen where you can only choose one, two, or three favorites. You can choose a whole DOZEN, but only ONE from each class.

Have fun.

P.S. If one of your roses is sometimes classed in more than one category, take your pick, and pick another rose for the other category. (Yolande d'Aragon is considered by some to be a Hybrid Perpetual and by others to be a Portland.)

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rjlinva
16 years ago
Belle,
I'm definitely game for this!...When I got first bitten by the OGR bug, I made a trip to Ashdown, and I talked to Paul about having representation from the different classes. It's been a great ride.. Here goes. These are some of my favorites.

1. Albas-Felicite Parmentier
2. Bourbons-Variegata di Bologna
3. Centifolias- The Bishop (that was an easy one)
4. Chinas- Comtes du Cayla
5. Damasks-Leda
6. Gallicas-Complicata
7. Hybrid Perpetuals-Black Prince
8. Mosses-Henri Martin
9. Noisettes-Madame Alfred Carriere
1. Polyanthas-Perle d'Or
2. Portlands-Amande Patenaude (aka Joasine Hanet)
3. Teas-Ley's Perpetual (this was a tough one)
Hybrid Musks-Felicia
Rambler-Alberic Barbier
hartwood
16 years ago
Here are the current front-runners:

1. Albas - Celestial (my favorite pink in the garden)
2. Bourbons - Maggie (always in bloom)

Can't speak yet to Centifolias, Chinas, Damasks, or Gallicas.

7. Hybrid Perpetuals - La Reine (huge buds, lovely blooms)
8. Mosses (none)
9. Noisettes - Haywood Hall (blooms like mad, great foliage)
1. Polyanthas (none)
2. Portlands - Portland from Glendora (aka Amanda Patenaude, aka Joasine Hanet, aka ?)
3. Teas - Bryan Freidel's Pink Tea
Hybrid Musks - Kathleen (though Felicia has a better scent)

As I look over my list, it becomes very clear that I have a strong affection for found roses.

Next?

Connie

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gnabonnand
16 years ago
I like this thread a lot, great idea..
Below are my favorite dozen OGRs.

Randy

1. Albas - Madame Plantier
2. Bourbons - Souvenir de la Malmaison
3. Centifolias - Fantin-Latour
4. Chinas - Spice
5. Damasks - York & Lancaster
6. Gallicas - Charles de Mills
7. Hybrid Perpetuals - Reine des Violettes
8. Mosses - Henri Martin
9. Noisettes - Blush Noisette
1. Polyanthas - Caldwell Pink
2. Portlands - Marchessa Bocella (aka Jacques Cartier)
3. Teas - Mrs Dudley Cross
tenor_peggy
16 years ago
Well, it depends upon where you live. I have more time gardening up north so here goes my 11:

Zone 4/5

1. Species - R. hugonis
2. Alba - Kognin von Danemark
3. Gallica - R. gallica versicolor
4. Damask - Mme. Hardy
5. Hybrid perpetual - Baronne Prevost & Reine des Violettes
7. Portland - Compt de Chambord
8. Centifolia - Fantin-Latour
9. Bourbon - SDLM
1. China - Eugene des Beauharnias
2. Tea - Lady Hillingdon
I had the last 3 in pots and I overwintered them in my unheated attached garage. :-)
mariannese
16 years ago
My favourite dozen, that did best this dry and cold summer:

1. Alba: Chloris
2. Bourbon: Kronprinzessin Viktoria
3. Centifolia: Ã fleurs doubles violettes
4. China: Gruss an Teplitz
5. Damask: Ispahan
6. Gallica: Apothecary's Rose
7. HP: Alfred Colomb
8. Moss: Capitaine John Ingram
9. Noisette: Gloire de Dijon
1. Polyantha: Marie Pavic
2. Portland: Rose du Roi Ã fleur pourpre
3. none, but Clementina Carbonieri would be if I had a greenhouse
Marianne in Sweden
ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
16 years ago
1. Alba -Koenigin von Daenemark
2. Bourbon - Barbara Worl
3. Centifolia - Fantin-Latour
4. China - Mutabilis
5. Damask -Ispahan
6. Gallica - Camieux
7. HP - Yolande d'Aragon
8. Moss - Common Moss
9. Noisette - Celine Forestier
1. Hybrid Musks - Felicia
2. Portland - Joasine Hanet
3. Tea - Duchesse de Brabant
olga_6b
16 years ago
I am not sure it will work in your climate, but from my MD point of view:
1. Albas - Semiplena
2. Bourbons - Deuil de Dr Reynaud
3. Centifolias - Paul Ricault
4. Chinas - Le Vesuve
5. Damasks - Ispahan
6. Gallicas - Charles de Mills
7. Hybrid Perpetuals - Yolande de Aragon
8. Mosses - Captain John Ingram
9. Noisettes - Madam Alfred Carrier
1. Polyanthas - Perle d'Or
2. Portlands - Rose de Rescht
3. Teas - Lady Hillingdon
Olga
riku
16 years ago
From zone 3 with protection ...

1. Albas - Great Maidens Blush (not protected)
2. Bourbons - Mme Isaac Pereire
3. Centifolias - Rose des Peintres
4. Chinas - Hermosa
5. Damasks - Mme Zoetmans
6. Gallicas - Charles de Mills
7. Hybrid Perpetuals - Mrs. Baker
8. Mosses - Deuil de Paul Fontaine
9. Noisettes - Not applicable for zone 3 though MAC styill lives in it's third new location
1. Polyanthas - Baby Faurax
2. Portlands - PanachÃ©e de Lyon
3. Teas - Mlle F. Kruger
Jean Marion (z6a Idaho)
16 years ago
1. Albas
2. Bourbons - ZÃ©phirine Drouhin
3. Centifolias
4. Chinas - Eugene de Beauharnais
5. Damasks
6. Gallicas - cardinal de richelieu
7. Hybrid Perpetuals - ferdinand Pichard
8. Mosses -
9. Noisettes -
1. Polyanthas - Lullaby
2. Portlands - rose de rescht
3. Teas
ceterum
16 years ago
I am embarrassed not be be able to participate in this truly great game because I don't have a single rose from five of the classes and I will be able to evaluate HPs, Portlands and Bourbons only in a few years. Shame on me!

But, if you don't mind, I have a question for Connie: where did you get your Maggie? I have two from two different (very reputable) sources and I had no luck with either of them if the second will die I will be looking for a good clone. So Connie, where did you get yours?

Thanks in advance.
bellegallica
Original Author
16 years ago
I'd forgotten about this. By the time I'd worked out my list(s), the thread had moved down a bit, and I didn't think it was worth resurrecting.

Anyway, here's the fantasy list:

1. Albas -- Chloris
2. Bourbons -- Reine Victoria
3. Centifolias -- Petite de Hollande
4. Chinas -- Ducher
5. Damasks -- Madame Hardy
6. Gallicas -- Belle Herminie
7. Hybrid Perpetuals -- Yolande d'Aragon
8. Mosses -- Salet
9. Noisettes -- Blush Noisette
1. Polyanthas -- Marie Pavie
2. Portlands -- Rose de Rescht
3. Teas -- Baronne Henriette de Snoy
rosefolly
16 years ago
Okay, I'll play.

1. Albas - Felicite Prmentier
2. Bourbons - Deuil du Dr Jamain or Honorine de Brabant, both so nice in different ways
3. Centifolias - Petite de Hollande (the only one I really know personally)
4. Chinas - not crazy about Chinas, sorry
5. Damasks - Ispahan
6. Gallicas - Rosa Mundi
7. Hybrid Perpetuals - hard to choose, so many are nice, maybe Henry Nevard? - hope mine takes off!
8. Mosses - Nuits de Young
9. Noisettes - Narrow Water
1. Polyanthas - Marie Pavie
2. Portlands - Rose de Rescht
3. Teas - just not crazy about teas either
Rosefolly
barbarag_happy
16 years ago
To be able to grow all 12 classes you'd hafta move to NeverLand! But I'm happy to imagine what I would grow there.

I'm lucky to have moved a lot-- grew the once-bloomers up in SE Ohio, at least 3 from each class. More recently in Texas and now in Virginia I'm planting Teas, Chinas, and Noisettes.

After much deliberation, and subject to revision:
1. Albas:Great Maiden's Blush--the best shrub among the Albas, makes a graceful bush and the pink of the blooms against the blue-green of the foliage is heart-stopping.
2. Bourbon: Maggie, a big girl with big color & fragrance (but I haven't grown Mystic Beauty or SDLM or SDSA yet)
3. Centifolia: Fantin Latour--may be the most beautiful of all the old roses. Really.
4. China: Martha Gonzales -- on sheer performance
5. Damask: La Ville de Bruxelle
6. Gallica: Rosa Mundi (r. gallica versicolor)
7. HP: Reine de Violettes
8. Moss: Mme. Louis Leveque
9. Noisette: they're all tied in 1st place
1. Polyantha: Perle d'Or
2. Portland: Comte de Chambord
3. Tea; Archiduc Joseph (ARE's Monsieur Tillier)
User
16 years ago
Alba Blanche de Belgiques
Bourbon Kronprincessin viktoria
Centifolia Reine de Centfeuilles
China Hermosa
Damask Bella Donna bloom identical to Reine de Centfeuilles
Gallica DÃ©sirÃ©e Parmentier
HP Souv de Madame Boll
Moss Madame Edouard Ory
Noisette Belle Vichysoise
Polyantha Perle d'Or
Portland Marie de St Jean
Tea Mrs Herbert Stevens
Species Hibernica
seattlesuze
16 years ago
What fun! Several classes were hard to select but here's my bouquet:

Species Â r. sericea pteracantha
Albas - Mme. Plantier
Bourbons - Souvenir de la Malmaison
Centifolias Â Fantin Latour
Chinas Â Le Vesuve
Damasks - Celsiana
Gallicas - Cardinal de Richelieu
Hybrid Perpetuals Â Enfant de France
Mosses Â FaÂs Marbled Moss
Noisettes Â William Allen Richardson
Polyanthas - Perle dÂOr
Portlands - Indigo
Teas Â AngelÂs Camp Tea

Sue
len511
16 years ago
alba- felicite parmentier
bourbon- mme. isaac perierre
centifolia- pompom de bourgogne
china-perle d'or
damask-belle amour
gallica-charles de mills
hp-gloire lyonnaise
moss-cesonie
noisette-marechal niel
polyanthas-marie pavie
portland-rose de rescht
tea-mme. jules gravereaux
gnabonnand
16 years ago
lens, you found a way to get both Perle d'Or & Marie Pavie in there! I'm impressed ... wish I'd thought of that (Perle is kind of china-like).

Randy
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16 years ago
OOPS MRS Herbert Stevens is a Hybrid.. Angels Camp Then
melva
16 years ago
I am game...
Alba..Pompon Blanc Parfait
Bourbon..Mlle Marie Drivon it is hard to pick just one, from this class
Centifolia...Cabbage Rose
China...Morey's Pink
Damask...Ispahan
HP...Yolande d'Aragon
Gallica...Tricolore de Flanders
Moss...Rene d'Ajou
Noisette...Mary Washington, no, Haynesville Pink Cluster, no, Haywood Hall, no,Champney's Pink Cluster...maybe Nastarana...or Jaques Amyot...
Polyantha...Lindee
Portland...Duchesse de Rohan
Tea...Noella Nabonnand
barbarag_happy
16 years ago
Melva, I'm with you on the noisettes-- what about Mrs. Woods Lavender and Natchitoches Noisette? Sounds like you'd love those too! Oh, and Narrow Water?
(I'm trying to interest my neighbors on both sides in noisettes, there's a lot of available fence there!)
melva
16 years ago
I have Narrow Water and Natchitoches Noisette, love them too..Mrs. Woods, I gave away, can't remember why...
Good luck with your neighbors..

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