What are your most disease resistant Teas?

16 years ago

I just started growing these roses this year in my mom's NO SPRAY zone 7b/8a Virginia garden. I've only completed one bed and should be finishing up the second bed soon. In the first I've got Mme. Joseph Schwartz, Cramoisi SupÃ©rieur (China) and Moore's Striped Rugosa (Hybrid Rugosa). So far the foliage on MJS has been clean as a whistle. The other two very resistant with only a few leaves afflicted.

Mom is thrilled and she is pressing me to get the other beds finished. The next bed will be the "pink" bed. I've already decided on DUCHESSE DE BRABANT (a no brainer), BELINDA'S DREAM, and MARIE D'ORLEANS.

So what are your most disease resistant Chinas and Teas? I especially want to hear from folks on the East coast who experience hot and humid summers.

Ideal growth habit is 4x4 and fragrance is a must.

Thanks,

Patrick

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cecily
16 years ago
4x4 is tough. General Schab is worthy of your consideration -- the blooms are similar to Mons Tillier but always pink (MT can have buff & purple blooms in overcast weather).
Jean Bach Sisley is another possibility, he might not stay small enough but the BS resistance is super.
Sorry I can't comment on fragrance, I can't smell most roses.
brandyray
16 years ago
Great thread Patrick! I'll be following along as I'm planning a bed w/ Teas and Chinas too. I'm already planning on Cramoisi Superieur- CL and probably Louis Phillipe, also Madame Charles or Dr. Grill, and Clementine Carbonieri and Mlle. Franziska Kruger- the latter two would be about the right size for you. I believe all of these will be very disease resistant (otherwise they would not be on my list). Perle d'or and Marie van Houtte are also beauties and about the right size. Maybe Robert who lives in western NC will weigh in w/ some suggestions since he has a lot of roses and does not spray, or Sandy in Fl. Good luck! Brandy
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I think you will really enjoy growing roses here. Roses seem to love our climate and really flourish except for the blackspot issue and those dreaded Japanese beetles in early summer. Be forewarned that most roses will get much larger here than their tags say they do. If you want to try some floribundas, I would highly recommend the Easy to Love roses from WeeksÃ¢ÂÂ¦they all do very well for me and are as no care as Knockouts here. Easy Going and Easy Does It seem to be the best for no spray. The others will spot a little without spray, but not badly and doesn't effect their ability to bloom their heads off. Website link for info on them is below. I love all my HTs, but I do spray them when necessary. Some easy ones for our area that don't require too much spray are Double Delight, Dolly Parton, Chris Evert, Pope John Paul II and Grand Dame. All the Peace varieties do well here, but require frequent spraying. Same for Fragrant Cloud and Rio Samba. My best lavender is Royal Amethyst, but it does need frequent spraying, too. For local rose sources, HannaÃ¢ÂÂs Garden Shop in Birmingham has a good selection. A link to their current inventory is below. Some of those are left over from last year and should be on clearance now. I picked up several for $5.00 each last February and those are doing great. Bennett nursery (Mr. Bennett is the sweetest and most knowledgeable man around) and The Greenery, both in Huntsville, are also good rose sources. They have websites, but donÃ¢ÂÂt list their inventory. Bennetts roses aren't in yet, but should be within the next couple of weeks. The Greenery plants theirs from bare roots and do have theirs out now, but won't sell them for about another month. Petals from the Past, just south of you in Jemison, is a wonderful source for antiques roses, and they carry a good many moderns in the spring, as well, but those arenÃ¢ÂÂt listed on their website. The owner there is SO helpful. He carries Quietness, a Buck rose, that's on my wish list. It supposedly is very disease resistant here and grows much like an HT. Let me know if there is a rose you are interested in and have questions about. I grow about 130 roses now...mixture of old and new...it's possible I'll have the rose and have local experience with it and pics I could share. Sorry for such a long post, but hoping it's helpful. Have fun! http://www.weeksroses.com/_RoseGroups/EasyToLove.html http://www.hannasgardenshop.com/inventory/department.php?id=26&nozeros=on http://petalsfromthepast.com/ HereÃ¢ÂÂs a picture of one of my rose beds last August:
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I know this is an old thread but its been very good and useful so I thought I'd chime in. All the roses i recommend have been mentioned here but I live very close to you in Zone 10 Florida so I thought I'd let you know what has worked in my garden. I have over 50 roses and my best performer is by far Belinda's Dream (you probably have it by now, if not, get it!). Always in bloom all year round, doesn't mind heat/humidity or rain has perfectly formed blooms AND its fragrant. It has it all! One of my other good performers so far have been some Ausitns. My BEST bloomer is Huntington rose, but it does get black spot a bit. I don't spray her so i just prune her a bit after every other flush and she keeps bouncing back. Queen of Sweden has been excellent. Not as big a bloomer as Huntington but NO black spot at all. She does grow TALL though (huntington grows WIDE), So Far she has stayed very narrow and tall. Jubilee celebration has done well but she is too new to tell if she'll get through the rainy season without too much BS. Wollerton Old Hall, great fragrance great BS resistance but bloom color is not my cup of tea (kind of a tan/beige). Alnwick rose has done well too as well as Abraham Darby (tried and true). All my Austins are in planters though, none in the ground. As for HT roses my best performers have been Mr. Lincoln, Olympiad (very good), Gold Medal (also very good), Queen Elizabeth (kind of gangly but blooms alot), iceberg and brilliant pink iceberg are great but grow wide, not tall (they stay short though). Pretty much all my HT get some black spot in the rainy season but i just trim them come fall and they do well all the way until the following May. If you are looking for a more bushy rose try the new KORDES varieties. I have had ABSOLUTELY no black spot on Lion's Fairy Tale and Mandarin Ice, and I hear all the Fairy Tales are just as good as lions. I'm getting a few more this year from that series. OH also don't forget BUCKS roses. Superb! I have Polonaise and Golden Princess and both are great with BS (very very little) but by far the best one has been Quietness! She has NO BS and beautiful fragrant blooms. Very Fragrant! Some roses to stay away from would be Oklahoma, Double delight (every one raves about her but she's a BS magnet in my garden) Angle Face (same). Cherish (love her blooms but same BS issues). I grow most of my roses in planters so you may need to see if you can find any of these on Fortuniana RS. I highly recommend the Kordes ones though, they have really thrived own root with NO disease they stand out like champs. They almost don't even look like rose bushes they are so leafy. Duchess du Brabant has been another good one. She does get a little BS but she seems to shake it off quickly. I just also got Rosette DeLizzy and clotilde soupert but they are still babies so too soon to tell. Good luck and let me know what does well in your garden!
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sherryocala
16 years ago
*DUCHESSE DE BRABANT (a no brainer), BELINDA'S DREAM, and MARIE D'ORLEANS*

I have all three of these. First year for all with Md'O still in a pot. BD is fantastic. I think the others will be, too. Louis Philippe (I have two) & Bermuda Spice are excellent in heat & humidity. Just a few yellow leaves on a whole bush.
Have fun!
Sherry
mauirose
16 years ago
check out the post from sandy at the bottom of this thread. she's in FL which i think will meet your requirement of hot and humid.

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rjlinva
16 years ago
Patrick,

I'm in VA and experience very hot, very humid summers. I've been trying MANY different varieties of Teas and China roses, and I grow them all totally no spray. I can't comment on size of the bushes because my roses are still so young, and, in their first spring after their first winter in my garden, they got severely set back from that peculiar Easter freeze. Just now are most of them really starting to show some decent recover. That said, here are somein the more pink range that seem to be doing very well for me:

Comtes du Cayla (I LOVE this rose)
Maman Cochet
Mme. Antoine Mari
Mrs. B.R. Cant
William R. Smith
Jean Bach Sisley
Spice
Caldwell Pink (polyantha bloom machine)

I'm noticing from my master list, that I grow too many yellowish Teas...oh well.

Robert
Molineux
Original Author
16 years ago
Those yellow Teas are especially beautiful. So soft looking and delicate.

Speaking of which, I'd really like a fragrant yellow and pink Tea that resembles PEACE.

But at this point I'm trying not to be picky.
jerijen
16 years ago
I'd really like a fragrant yellow and pink Tea that resembles PEACE.

*** How about 'Marie van Houtte'???
She certainly has that color combination.

Jeri
Molineux
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16 years ago
Thanks Jeri for recommending Marie van Houtte. I was actually planning on trying her smaller "smoother" sister MRS. DUDLEY CROSS. Another is SOUVENIR DE PIERRE NOTTING. Would love to hear comments about these two yellow Tea Roses. Others on my list include COMTESSE DU CAYLA, CLEMENTINA CARBONIERI, and MLLE FRANZISKA KRUGER (replacing Evelyn). Also considering MORNING HAS BROKEN (not a Tea but supposed to be no spray) or SONCY (Alexander Hill Gray).

Remember folks this is for my 70 year old mother in zone 7b/8a coastal Virginia. I'm doing all the upkeep just once or twice a month.
jbfoodie
16 years ago
Etoile de Lyon is not yellow and pink (just yellow), but it is so far quite disease free--it is still a 'youngun,' about 2 feet tall and wide. The blooms are large, fragrant and long lasting. I expect it to be kept in the 4 X 4 or 5 X 5 range.
ceterum
16 years ago
My favorite is Madame Antoine Mari - I like her flowers and foliage better than (I know, I know it is sacrilege!) Duchesse de Brabant or Mme Schwarz.
stefanb8
16 years ago
Patrick, I think you'll like 'Mrs. Dudley Cross' quite a bit. It's an easy grower in this climate and even responds well to hard (summer) pruning, if it gets out of bounds. There's one here at the National Arboretum's rose garden if you'd like to see one in the flesh, where they've stopped spraying since June (partly on my insistence, we're going to see which roses actually need the spray and think about replacing at least some of the worst disease offenders). You can't tell any difference with MDC; it just keeps on going, and should be looking particularly good now that the JBs are finally abating.

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