Moving to Springfield, Virginia from the Dallas area

16 years ago

I have been lurking on this site for months and have admired Randy's success with his roses..

Even though I am excited to move to the DC area in a few weeks, one thing that has been tugging at me is leaving my roses behind. I thought I'd ask the Virginia residents which of the roses listed below (in containers right now) do well over there:

- Dame de Coeur

- Mevrouw Natalie Nypels

- Marie Pavie

- Perle dÂOr

- Souvenir de la Malmaison

- Coldwell Pink

- Francis Dubreuil

- Pink Gruss an Aachen

- Paul Neyron

- Climbing Iceberg

- Charles Darwin (David AustinÂs)

- Mrs. R. M. Finch

- Pink Rosette

- Charity (David AustinÂs)

- Baby Love, miniature

- Deep Velvet, miniature

- RainbowÂs End , miniature

To add insult to injury, the relo company just told me that it would not move the plants, so any container I take with me would travel across the country in a van with our three big dogs... I will rehome the others with family, friends or rose enthusiasts... As Randy said, because of the rains we've had lately in Dallas, my roses are not doing as well right now as they were last year. Still, am very proud to tend to them.

Thanks for your input. I'll cross post in the Virginia/Mid-Atlantic gardening forum.

Isabelle

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rjlinva
16 years ago
Isabelle, Welcome to VA, and welcome to Blackspot Paradise. You will be moving close to Olga and Lori, so, I hope they will respond. A major question will be is whether you intend to spray. I am about 85 miles south of DC, and conditions are somewhat different. I don't spray, and I think I tolerate significant BS as long as the rose keeps growing, it stays. I'm very new to roses, and my roses are all within 0-2 years old (2 years meaning they are in their 3rd summer now, 0 meaning I put them in this spring/summer).

From your list:
-Marie Pavie- mine does not want to take off, but I know for others it has
- Perle dÂOr does fine
- Souvenir de la Malmaison on my second one now
- Coldwell Pink does great
- Francis Dubreuil seems to be doing well with water
- Pink Gruss an Aachen seems to be doing ok
- Paul Neyron in a tough spot and struggling

Robert
hartwood
16 years ago
Welcome, Isabelle. I'm an hour south of you in Stafford County. Of the roses on your list, I have SDLM (which struggles, like Robert's) and Paul Neyron. PN is one of my favorite roses -- I love the blooms, the foliage is clean, and it's a vigorous grower.

Off topic to this thread: when are you planning to move? We are planning a pot-luck social plant exchange get-together at my house this fall. If you're around, we'd love to have you.

Connie
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myloki
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Isabelle, welcome to Virginia! Of your list, I have Marie Pavie, SdlMalmaison, Paul Neyron, and Caldwell Pink. I had Francis Dubrieul but I think voles got him. Once I found a spot he liked, he bloomed and grew well for me. Caldwell Pink is nearly bullet proof here as most places. Marie gets some blackspot, but she still grows and blooms well for me. Once I found good plants of SdlM, it bloomed and grew well, with some blackspot. Paul Neyron gets a lot of blackspot for me (is nearly leafless most of the time) and suffers from other problems too - like balling badly and attracting every insect that eats roses. When he blooms nicely, he earns his space in the garden.
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leslies
16 years ago
Paul Neyron gets blackspot for me, too, though it blooms well and tolerates the winters.

If you're here in time for the Mid-Atlantic Gardening Forum Fall SWAP, you should go. I'll be bringing several potted Darlow's Enigmas!
lori_elf z6b MD
16 years ago
Marie Pavie does well here. Perle d'or is pretty good too. SDLM is a bit tender and I lost her (twice) to winter-kill but I still have three of her sports surviving. Caldwell Pink does pretty good, is very resistant. I had BS problems with Charles Darwin, Gruss an Achen, Dame de Coeur, Frances Dubreuil, and Paul Neyron, don't grow those any more.
olga_6b
16 years ago
Hi, Isabelle, welcome to the area.
I am very close to DC. From your list I grow or used to grow the following:
- Marie Pavie - Gets BS, approx 50% leaf loss, but still blooms and grows well
- Perle dÂOr - a touch better then marie Pavie. probably 30% leaf loss
- Souvenir de la Malmaison - struggling. I am on my third one. A lot of dieback every winter.
- Francis Dubreuil - needs spraying here. Otherwise excellent, no serious dieback
- Pink Gruss an Aachen - needs spraying
- Paul Neyron - fully defoliates
- Climbing Iceberg - one of the worst BS offenders in this climate.
- Baby Love, miniature - can be clean for some time and then gets terrible BS

Olga
mdseagull
16 years ago
I don't have the roses you mention so can't comment on them, but welcome to the area. I live about 30 min. from D.C. in Maryland. Roses that can handle humidity do well here, but be prepared for black spot and the dreaded Japanese beetles!
olga_6b
16 years ago
MDseagull, what county are you from? I ask because I am approx 30 min from DC too. I am in Montgomery county.
Olga
mdseagull
16 years ago
Howard County here, Olga. :)
bettyd_z7_va
16 years ago
Welcome Isabelle!

I'm south of where you will be in Appomattox County about 20 minutes east of Lynchburg. We just moved last year and my roses are still settling in. I'm really depressed about all of the june bugs but won't use any chemicals. I must do some research and find something that can help. Between the deer and the JBs I have few blooms that are worth looking at.

I just inherited a Paul Neyron and planted it today in fact and I don't think I have any of the others, so I really can't help you much.

Anyway, welcome to Virginia. Hope you can make it to Connie's in October.

Betty
sonnybelle
Original Author
16 years ago
Thank you to all for your feedback.

From what I read, gardening in our new home promises to be challenging between the BS and the Japanese beetles. I have yet to figure out if I will decide to spray (I don't here). I also need to figure out if you can put some roses in containers or if you put them in the ground (hence the dieback in winter). Maybe some of you can suggest a few books I can read for our future endeavors.

I've looked at all your comments regarding our roses. Caldwell Pink, Perle d'Or or Francis Dubreuil will probably take the trip with us. I can check on it on a daily basis, water wise etc. My heart was set on keeping Souvenir de la Malmaison (my husband and I met there) but I'd rather leave it here with someone who can enjoy it.

I've already e-mailed Connie that we are planning on attending the get together in October. I look forward to it and would love to hear your successes (for roses and perennials) as well as your trial and errors. Thanks again.

Isabelle
olga_6b
16 years ago
Isabelle,
There is one thing about this climate are that nobody mentioned so far, that is really good.
You can grow roses from almost any class here, except the most tender ones. For example, You can grow albas, damasks, gallicas as well as Teas and Chinas. So it is not so bad at all.
Olga
sonnybelle
Original Author
16 years ago
Olga, Thanks for the good news. By the way, I have read your many posts on this forum. I find myself lucky to move closer to you geographically.

Isabelle

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