Moving to Springfield, Virginia from the Dallas area

17 years ago

I have been lurking on this site for months and have admired Randy's success with his roses..

Even though I am excited to move to the DC area in a few weeks, one thing that has been tugging at me is leaving my roses behind. I thought I'd ask the Virginia residents which of the roses listed below (in containers right now) do well over there:

- Dame de Coeur

- Mevrouw Natalie Nypels

- Marie Pavie

- Perle dÂOr

- Souvenir de la Malmaison

- Coldwell Pink

- Francis Dubreuil

- Pink Gruss an Aachen

- Paul Neyron

- Climbing Iceberg

- Charles Darwin (David AustinÂs)

- Mrs. R. M. Finch

- Pink Rosette

- Charity (David AustinÂs)

- Baby Love, miniature

- Deep Velvet, miniature

- RainbowÂs End , miniature

To add insult to injury, the relo company just told me that it would not move the plants, so any container I take with me would travel across the country in a van with our three big dogs... I will rehome the others with family, friends or rose enthusiasts... As Randy said, because of the rains we've had lately in Dallas, my roses are not doing as well right now as they were last year. Still, am very proud to tend to them.

Thanks for your input. I'll cross post in the Virginia/Mid-Atlantic gardening forum.

Isabelle

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rjlinva
17 years ago
Isabelle, Welcome to VA, and welcome to Blackspot Paradise. You will be moving close to Olga and Lori, so, I hope they will respond. A major question will be is whether you intend to spray. I am about 85 miles south of DC, and conditions are somewhat different. I don't spray, and I think I tolerate significant BS as long as the rose keeps growing, it stays. I'm very new to roses, and my roses are all within 0-2 years old (2 years meaning they are in their 3rd summer now, 0 meaning I put them in this spring/summer).

From your list:
-Marie Pavie- mine does not want to take off, but I know for others it has
- Perle dÂOr does fine
- Souvenir de la Malmaison on my second one now
- Coldwell Pink does great
- Francis Dubreuil seems to be doing well with water
- Pink Gruss an Aachen seems to be doing ok
- Paul Neyron in a tough spot and struggling

Robert
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hartwood
17 years ago
Welcome, Isabelle. I'm an hour south of you in Stafford County. Of the roses on your list, I have SDLM (which struggles, like Robert's) and Paul Neyron. PN is one of my favorite roses -- I love the blooms, the foliage is clean, and it's a vigorous grower.

Off topic to this thread: when are you planning to move? We are planning a pot-luck social plant exchange get-together at my house this fall. If you're around, we'd love to have you.

Connie
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HELLO! everybody THanks so much for all that input. I am still digesting it all! I have been taking notes from your suggestions; meanwhile taking loads of garage/ household/yard junk to the landfill sprucing up our place; we're in the midst of remodeling while we watch the real estate market slowing down here...sigh. I realize you can not have perfection anywhere on this earth; I just know the few things we really seek should we move. (Also my husband wants to retire sometime but if we stay here he'll be working till he's 90!) LOL. He's convinced we could live cheaper somewhere in the southeast, I could have my dream house with a lap swimming pool and my daughter could get a better education and not be so isolated from friends. There are pluses to living here-being at our unique microclimate higher elevation on the slopes of a mountain, we have nice cold/cool nights in winter, no cockroaches or other creepy crawlies like the lower elevations. We live up where the Maui onions and protea grow and I will miss this but NOT the weeds which are a monstrous problem. People tend to assume Hawaii is Paradise and why the heck would we leave-having lived here on and off since the '70's it has it's good and bad points. THE BEST things are--relatively LOW property taxes and no snakes,trade winds most of the time, 80's most of the year though summer can be hell. We have NO bears (that horrid recent bear attack in TENN has got me a bit scared about moving to the mountain areas there now!)Matter of fact, we have no really dangerous critters which is something I don't take lightly. Cockroaches are jokingly referred to as the Hawaii state bird, however (yuck!) and there are scorpions, cane spiders and centipedes at lower elevations near pineapple and cane fields, i.e. where most people live here. We do have black widow spiders up here, just killed one at my daughter's school cafeteria the other day! I never had a fear of flesh eating bacteria until recently as more cases seem to occur--it's a fact of life in tropical climates where bacteria thrives. I also used to surf for many years, but there has been a definite increase in shark attacks so I am sticking to the local YMCA pool these days as most of my favorite surfing spots are also inhabited by sea turtles which is a shark's delight! We do get hurricanes here, and historically there have been some nasty tsunamis but not too frequent. No snow; but rain for weeks in winter that can be a bit too much. Many of our friends are selling their homes here mainly to get away from obscenely high gas prices-now approx $3.50 gallon; high medical/dental expenses and really not the best in medical care either; food and other products also very high priced--also cars,homes-- you name it, we pay through the nose for it here. PLus really poor public schools. This is a tourism based economy. Lots of rich mainland folks buying real estate here for vacation and rental homes and snowbirds buying vacation homes has made the market formidable for regular folks.) So when you live in paradise you tend to be too busy to get to the beach and play tourist! Anyway I have to book our trip to scope out all those areas and will give you an update in the future!
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The rocks seem to be harder on ME than the plants. The plants don't mind and some probably like the better drainage. It's mostly a problem when I'm planting something big like a tree that requires a large hole. If you're bringing plants from Iowa that have a large root ball that you're trying to keep intact and you find that your soil is too rocky here, you may be able to cut down on the work by planting them in compost. When they put in a hosta garden at the botanical gardens here, they dumped big piles of compost (or perhaps it was mulch) and planted directly in that. Much easier to dig in and the hostas have done well. I assume compost would be easier on the trees rather than piling topsoil too deeply on their roots. Good luck with your move. Hope you find the perfect spot with some deep rooted trees for your shade garden. Are you looking for a place in the city or some acreage outside of town? Here's the link for GOHS. They are the ones that put in the hosta garden I mentioned. When you get ready to plant, they may be able to give you some advice. Here is a link that might be useful: Greater Ozarks Hosta Society
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myloki
17 years ago
Isabelle, welcome to Virginia! Of your list, I have Marie Pavie, SdlMalmaison, Paul Neyron, and Caldwell Pink. I had Francis Dubrieul but I think voles got him. Once I found a spot he liked, he bloomed and grew well for me. Caldwell Pink is nearly bullet proof here as most places. Marie gets some blackspot, but she still grows and blooms well for me. Once I found good plants of SdlM, it bloomed and grew well, with some blackspot. Paul Neyron gets a lot of blackspot for me (is nearly leafless most of the time) and suffers from other problems too - like balling badly and attracting every insect that eats roses. When he blooms nicely, he earns his space in the garden.
I hope you like your new home and that you can join us at Connie's. We can stock your new garden with lots of roses and perennials that do well in the area!
-Stephanie
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leslies
17 years ago
Paul Neyron gets blackspot for me, too, though it blooms well and tolerates the winters.

If you're here in time for the Mid-Atlantic Gardening Forum Fall SWAP, you should go. I'll be bringing several potted Darlow's Enigmas!
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lori_elf z6b MD
17 years ago
Marie Pavie does well here. Perle d'or is pretty good too. SDLM is a bit tender and I lost her (twice) to winter-kill but I still have three of her sports surviving. Caldwell Pink does pretty good, is very resistant. I had BS problems with Charles Darwin, Gruss an Achen, Dame de Coeur, Frances Dubreuil, and Paul Neyron, don't grow those any more.
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olga_6b
17 years ago
Hi, Isabelle, welcome to the area.
I am very close to DC. From your list I grow or used to grow the following:
- Marie Pavie - Gets BS, approx 50% leaf loss, but still blooms and grows well
- Perle dÂOr - a touch better then marie Pavie. probably 30% leaf loss
- Souvenir de la Malmaison - struggling. I am on my third one. A lot of dieback every winter.
- Francis Dubreuil - needs spraying here. Otherwise excellent, no serious dieback
- Pink Gruss an Aachen - needs spraying
- Paul Neyron - fully defoliates
- Climbing Iceberg - one of the worst BS offenders in this climate.
- Baby Love, miniature - can be clean for some time and then gets terrible BS

Olga
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mdseagull
17 years ago
I don't have the roses you mention so can't comment on them, but welcome to the area. I live about 30 min. from D.C. in Maryland. Roses that can handle humidity do well here, but be prepared for black spot and the dreaded Japanese beetles!
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olga_6b
17 years ago
MDseagull, what county are you from? I ask because I am approx 30 min from DC too. I am in Montgomery county.
Olga
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mdseagull
17 years ago
Howard County here, Olga. :)
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bettyd_z7_va
17 years ago
Welcome Isabelle!

I'm south of where you will be in Appomattox County about 20 minutes east of Lynchburg. We just moved last year and my roses are still settling in. I'm really depressed about all of the june bugs but won't use any chemicals. I must do some research and find something that can help. Between the deer and the JBs I have few blooms that are worth looking at.

I just inherited a Paul Neyron and planted it today in fact and I don't think I have any of the others, so I really can't help you much.

Anyway, welcome to Virginia. Hope you can make it to Connie's in October.

Betty
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sonnybelle
Original Author
17 years ago
Thank you to all for your feedback.

From what I read, gardening in our new home promises to be challenging between the BS and the Japanese beetles. I have yet to figure out if I will decide to spray (I don't here). I also need to figure out if you can put some roses in containers or if you put them in the ground (hence the dieback in winter). Maybe some of you can suggest a few books I can read for our future endeavors.

I've looked at all your comments regarding our roses. Caldwell Pink, Perle d'Or or Francis Dubreuil will probably take the trip with us. I can check on it on a daily basis, water wise etc. My heart was set on keeping Souvenir de la Malmaison (my husband and I met there) but I'd rather leave it here with someone who can enjoy it.

I've already e-mailed Connie that we are planning on attending the get together in October. I look forward to it and would love to hear your successes (for roses and perennials) as well as your trial and errors. Thanks again.

Isabelle
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olga_6b
17 years ago
Isabelle,
There is one thing about this climate are that nobody mentioned so far, that is really good.
You can grow roses from almost any class here, except the most tender ones. For example, You can grow albas, damasks, gallicas as well as Teas and Chinas. So it is not so bad at all.
Olga
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sonnybelle
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17 years ago
Olga, Thanks for the good news. By the way, I have read your many posts on this forum. I find myself lucky to move closer to you geographically.

Isabelle
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