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Does anybody really grow rouge Royale?

vedazu
12 years ago

or do we all just try to eke out a bloom here and there? Is there any point?

It is such a gorgeous thing, and I keep trying--and am curious who has success.

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  • rosecanadian
    11 days ago

    Lynne - GASP and SWOON!!!!! Those are stunning RR blooms!!! The color, the shape...everything!! I really, really wanted to find this rose this year...but nope. Heavens above you grow that rose well!!!


    Deborah - Bwahaha!! :) :) Maybe the deer can read and they'll be scared off by this Halloween laugh if you make a sign. :) :) Seriously though...moving is horrible. I agree with you...don't move. Refresh my memory...you don't have a fence? If your fence is not big enough...something I would try is to put a series of fences...really close to each other. One taller, then one shorter, then one taller. I bet that would be confusing for the deer's depth perception.

    So horrible about your friends' parents. Yes, we all need to be vaccinated. And the unvaccinated are playing havoc with not only COVID mutations and infecting others...but people can't get medical attention for other really serious issues because there are no beds available here.


    Diane - I'm sorry about your step-nephew. :( :(

  • Diane Brakefield
    11 days ago

    Thanks, Lynne. My RR does some burning during the hot part of summer, but so does most everything else (this is zone 7, SW Idaho), especially this extra long, hot summer of 2021. In your more southern zone 9b, RR could probably use some afternoon shade, and I think moving it back to the pot was the right things to do for now. Diane

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    Thank you, Diane, I thought you were in Bakersfield :), Love all your roses!!! I am in Sacramento, super hot Summer, especially this year!


    @rosecanadian, Hi, Carol, you are very kind as always. This is for you!





  • Diane Brakefield
    10 days ago

    Gorgeous! You're welcome. I know Bakersfield can get--so can Sacramento. Good luck. Diane

  • lynne CA Zone 9B
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    @Deborah (Z10 Coastal CA) thank you for your kind words

  • rosecanadian
    10 days ago

    Lynne :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Pure Loveliness!!! Thank you!!

  • Diane Brakefield
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    I picked an RR bouquet last night--heaven! It was the first scent from any rose I'd smelled since early June when the dry heat hit. My bouquets are what used to be called plonks. Just squeeze those beauties in the vase. Diane

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  • lynne CA Zone 9B
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    Diane,your RR bouquet is amazing!!! much darker color than mine. My RR is mostly in the shade. Will try to move to sunny place.

  • Diane Brakefield
    8 days ago

    Lynne, are you sure you want RR in full sun in your hot climate? I think it's just the photo--taken inside in the dining room that makes RR seem darker. One thing I've noticed is that RR starts darkening shortly after it's cut, and continues to darken as time goes on, so that may influence the way the bouquet looks, too. But thanks for your nice comment. Diane

  • rosecanadian
    8 days ago

    Diane - really? Rouge Royale's blooms continue to darken after they've been cut! That's really cool!! I love this plonk...especially that it's a nice close-up!! And then when we click on it...it really shows great detail!! Over this year you have made me want to get RR so badly!!! I wish I could find one...but at least I can see your blooms and imagine the fragrance. :) GORGEOUS!!

  • Diane Brakefield
    8 days ago

    Thanks, Carol, and I wish I knew where RR was being sold. I bought mine locally from Edwards several years ago, and I don't think they've sold it since. I ignored RR for about three years, and then a year or so ago, I started really seeing all its lovely blooms and paying attention to it. If RR had grown in a normal spot in my garden, I think I would have noticed it sooner. Now, I feel like I'm pulling an "Augusta Luise" on everybody. I'm really not trying to promote RR or any rose.


    I'll probably be up all night. One of my long time friends since grade school was over this afternoon; then I cooked dinner (home made chicken noodle soup--it's finally cooled down enough so soup doesn't sound so bad), and then I sat outside to observe nature. It was lovely, but not as perfect as Wed night. I think we might get some smoke or smog back, and it's supposed to be cooler. Anyway, I came in, sat down, and fell asleep until almost midnight--one of my dumber moves. Now, I'm really awake. I understand about how you could be so tired after shopping with your energizer bunny mother in law. She is like my mom was. They don't slow down, but seem to suck the energy out of me in the process. Your MIL was obviously built to last. Diane

  • rosecanadian
    8 days ago

    Diane - yeah, she's 85lbs (looks like a cadaver pulled from the ground skinny..bulimic). That's not nice..but she always did fat jokes on me. Anyway...yeah...she was built to last. I had a nap around 8 p.m. too. Sigh. Just fell asleep on the couch. LOL You and I....sheesh. LOL

    Ahhh....sounds like another beautiful experience with nature. :) Sitting quietly outside is a really special thing to do.

    All of your roses are as gorgeous as AL!! Seriously...WOWZA!!! But, I'm glad that my roses are all starting to recover.

  • oursteelers 8B PNW
    8 days ago

    I don’t know if she ships to Canada but I am getting Rouge Royale from Roses Unlimited in the spring

  • librarian_gardner_8b_pnw
    8 days ago
    last modified: 8 days ago

    @rosecanadian I got RR this past May from Roses Unlimited.

  • Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
    8 days ago

    With all of this RR talk and now a source, Im in.

  • oursteelers 8B PNW
    8 days ago

    Kristine, hahahaha!

  • Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
    8 days ago

    I know I know

  • Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
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    I see that Regans carries RR


  • rosecanadian
    7 days ago

    Yeah, none of those places will ship here. I have 3 mail order places that will ship here. Maybe some day. :)

    Go Kristine, Go!! :) :)

  • Diane Brakefield
    7 days ago

    Carol, what have I done? All this RR talk. It's a great rose that no one was paying any attention to for several years. I hope all of you have good experiences growing it. I have to tell you about our neighbors who came here several years ago from Hawaii. They had some Idaho connections, so I guess that's why they chose Idaho. The husband was born in Hawaii, so it must be quite a change. They have a son, a professional fisherman, that lives in....Alaska. They just got back from visiting him, and while there, did some fishing. They brought back salmon, halibut, and rock fish, and they shared a small fortune's worth with us. So we had halibut tonight, grilled in foil packets, along with a ton of tomatoes, summer squash. The veggies are really being shared, too. My friend brought over the best cherry tomatoes I've ever tasted--multicolored, exotic, slightly sweet taste. And now I've forgotten its strange name. Is your MIL still a guest? I hope you're holding up OK....Nature note: We have a band of coyotes that keeps coming through our back yard in the middle of the night, howling their heads off. What the heck are they up to and what are they hunting? Creepy. The smoke didn't come back, but it was much colder today, and our low will be in the 40s tonight. Winter is coming. Bah. I'm currently running the drip system, which I love. It's my kind of watering. Get off duff. Go to garage. Punch in setting I want. Run. I like to control the timing and days I want to water, or I wouldn't even have to do anything. Diane

  • rosecanadian
    7 days ago

    Diane - LOL...I love your watering system....the best part is RUN! LOL How delicious that you have freshly caught fish! Good neighbors are worth their weight in gold! They must think the same of you! :)

    Maybe the coyote are eating your quail??? Yup, we're both getting down to cold night time temps...we're getting to just below freezing. So my hubby brought the fuchsias in the garage for the night.

    Yes, I want a Rouge Royale...you started a movement!! :)

    My mother-in-law is leaving tomorrow (Friday). I'm really looking forward to some quiet time. She talks A LOT and is always in my face. LOL

  • erasmus_gw
    7 days ago

    I love halibut...my mother used to cook it. Saw some at Walmart recently ..two little pieces for a lot of money. Don't remember if it was near $20 or $27.


    I put my Rouge Royale in a big pot and it deserves a place in the ground. It has bloomed on and off all summer and is currently having a couple of really gorgeous, incredibly fragrant blooms. I put one of these watering aids in the pot and it has helped it through the summer heat.






  • lynne CA Zone 9B
    6 days ago

    @Diane Brakefield, thank you, Diane, I will not move it to full sun location. I will try to get more hours of morning sun.

  • Melodye Sartori
    6 days ago

    Hi all, i used to post here as ozmelodye but my account was shut downacouple of years ago,iDKY and been trying to catch up. Diane i think you were Nanadoll then. Glad to see that you are well and double jabbed. as for those pesky deer, have you ever tried growing tagetes lemmonii? i have read that is a deer deterrent, the leaves are very pungent and it keeps the local possums away from the roses on my fenceline. i dont mind the smell, it reminds me of passionfruit and pineapple and the yellow daisiy flowers are a bright spot in winter. Be safe everyone, the numbers of cases in the States are very concerning. things havent been so good in the USA for a few years. we have some Bolshy idiots here that read misleading information and dont believe the science when it is presented . We have rising case numbers here in Victoria and there have been some deaths with Delta. We are in our 6th lockdown at present because some people refuse to do the right thing. Melodye

  • Diane Brakefield
    6 days ago

    Melodye, welcome back! I've missed you ever since you mysteriously disappeared. How are you and how are your roses? You are correct--I was Nanadoll until houzz disappeared the poor old gal, and Diane Brakefield took over her place. I don't mess with houzz, so I let it go. If you want to join in a seasonal thread (they are still going after I started that "hotter than a habanero thread" years ago), join us on the Summer thread, which will have to change to a Fall designation in just a few days. Did you ever know a fellow Australian and forum member from Sydney with the user name Titian? She's Trish and a good friend of mine. She posts on the summer thread and others as well. Thanks for the tip about tagetes lemmonii. Speaking of the Delta mess, Idaho went to "Crisis Care" (triage) in all its hospitals a couple of days ago. I will be getting a third shot as soon as they are available. My age makes me eligible. By the way, your frankness is a breath of fresh air. I am not known for holding back my opinion, that's for sure. I hope you keep posting and I see you on the summer thread. Diane

  • Melodye Sartori
    6 days ago

    Hi Diane, its good to be back. my disappearance is a long story.Daughter wanted to bring my 5y/o granddaughter home from Japan to start school here, so i had to look for suitable schools and get them both settled here, plus keep household and garden ticking over, and start school runs again.NEVER say ’never again!’ I should have known it always comes back to bite one on the rear end! I thought I was coping quite well, when my i pad died followed by my dog,both sorely missed. hubby decided to mow the lawn without eye protection woops a piece of wire from solar fairy lights in his eye, hospital visits then follow up eye specialist appointments, still managing school runs THEN the b####y pandemic hit. I was a little peeved, lockdown, home schooling, daughter working from home thank heavens, and I had a stroke. luckily daughter had just come in with our shopping as it was hasppening, called the ambulance. It was my lucky day! !we have a specialised stroke ambulance here in Melbourne, and it was available for me . MRI scan on the way to hospital, IV CLOT disolving drugs, and neurosurgery waiting for me at Royal Melbourne hospital. I was having an embolectomy within 45 minutes. i was recovering well and it was thought i might be able to go home, but i had a secondary stroke 4 days later same treatment. My son said i just wanted to stay for a rest. I enjoyed the hospital food, it was really tasty and varied. When I was discharged, the neurosurgeon asked what I was going to do with the remaining 7 of my 9. I told her I would make the most of my reprieve. BUT I had a very fast heart rhythm, which didnt resolve with medications, so back to hospital for direct current reversion to shock my heart back to normal rhythm. It worked like magic, i could walk and breathe again. the food in the cardiac ward wasnt up to the standard of the neurology ward. So Im back to normal, just a bit slower.

    Now back to this thread, my Rouge Royale is struggling, I think it is too hot where I planted it so I’ll have to move it. The garden is overgrown,but the other roses are survivors, like me. The Government have granted hubby and I a home care package, which allows me a subsidised gardener, whom I will have to watch closely, he believes in slash and Roundup which is against my religion. We are currently in lockdown no 6 so no Nursery visits to check out this years new releases.

    I am back on ipad, son in law sent me a new one for my birthday,,While I

    was in hospital. I watched a lot of you tube, opera and ballet and US news services, so kept up to date. I was so sorry to see all the wildfires. hope everyone was ok. the big ones here in 2019,were horrible, we were nowhere near the fires but the smoke really caused problems. there were days when the visibility was poor and we would need to wear masks when outside. (practise for covid). one of my favourite rose suppliers was burned out😭

    Diane I’ll certainly look up the summer thread. see you later. Melodye

  • rosecanadian
    4 days ago

    Melodye - what a CRAPPY time you've had!!!! Thank GOD you're okay now. Thank God your daughter came home in time to save you!!! Oh my goodness...what a nightmare!!!

    Well, that is really good that you get a gardener!! That's making lemonade out of lemons. :) :) :)


    We are in trouble here in Alberta. The federal government has offered Alberta hospitals the military to come and help at the hospitals. But our dumb Premier has said no. We have so many people in hospitals for COVID that the hospitals are going to have to start triaging who they're going to help and who they're going to let die. I volunteer the stupid people who don't get vaccinated for the "let die" part. Morons.

    My daughter who is a new Emerg doctor in Saskatchewan says that she has to meet new patients in the hall. There's no privacy for them...I think she said they have sheets up or something like that. REALLY scary.

  • Melodye Sartori
    3 days ago

    Rosecanadian thanks, for me the scary part of the stroke,was it happened at the time I w`ould have been on the school run, so in a way the covid lockdown was a blessing in a crappy disguise.

    Im sorry to hear about the problems in Alberta. our federal government has not done very well in keeping our borders closed, all lerft up to our state premiers, some like ours (Victoria )has done the right thing, but others have tried to win political points and did not do the necessary lockdowns for state borders quickly enough. Hubby and I agree with your solution, there is no cure for STUPID. As an ex-nurse, I empathise with your daughter, the choices that she has to make in such conditions. Hope there is enough PPE.

    We are waiting to see if we need a third shot of Astrazenica…yay! Melodye

  • Melodye Sartori
    3 days ago
    last modified: 2 days ago

    Think I need to pot RR as it is near a brick wall with full afternoon sun in summer. Black Caviar ( Astrid Grafin von Hardenburg) seems to handle the heat of full all day sun, summer and winter, much better..Never thought I’d buy a rose named for a racehorse, but am tempted by a white rose called Winx another champion record breaker. I dont have much room left, may remove Orangerie and gift it to my DIL who likes it. It is ( O ) a very pretty rose but very stingy with repeat blooms. Melodye

  • Deborah (Z10 Coastal CA)
    2 days ago

    Wow! How fun to have other RR fans out there, now! I found mine in a body bag at my local ACE Hardware store and bought it on impulse, having seen Diane's photos. But, just like the reviews warned, I *did* get powdery mildew late spring when we have our May Gray and June Gloom weather here on the coast. But RR has been healthy, no PM the last 2 months, and keeps blooming when nothing else is blooming. Or maybe it just seems that way because the deer haven't discovered my front yard yet. Or maybe I'm too close to the street for their comfort.


    Re the deer problem -- my roses already are right up next to the house -- it's my fruit trees and tomatoes further out from the house, and then CA natives beyond those. The deer decimated my Ray Hartman Ceanothus, which is a gorgeous shrub in spring. Then came for the roses and fruit trees, and then after I sprayed them, the deer went for the tomatoes. But my roses in the front yard only got nibbled once. So -- while I sometimes wish I was further back from the street, two good things have come of being so close to the street -- 1) in the fire, firefighters could easily fight the fire from the street, so my home survived while my neighbors further back lost their homes. and 2) the deer apparently don't like being right on the street!


    I want to thank all of you. I was stuck in the ER at the local hospital all day Sunday, and reading Houzz kept me in another lovely garden (instead of on a gurney!). I was there because I went to my local urgent care, and they sent me to the ER at the hospital, convinced I needed to have my appendix out. Then I had to wait on a CT Scan. Then they said I had an infection, but not in my appendix, so I got to go home with antibiotics. They'd offered to start me right there, and feed me, but I scampered. So now I'm reading silly novels, watching TV, and posting on Houzz for the first time in forever.


    And -- I have one GORGEOUS Rouge Royale bloom right now with such a lovely scent. It truly is a wonderful rose. Except the little bit of PM.

  • Deborah (Z10 Coastal CA)
    2 days ago

    Melodye -- glad you lived to tell the tale, and nice to have you back on the forum!


  • Deborah (Z10 Coastal CA)
    2 days ago

    Diane -- I just read a Gobbelino London novel. I'm torn. It was a nice plot, the snarky cat is fun...but I didn't LOVE it. Still, you might be amused by it. Let me know if you want me to loan you the kindle version...

  • Deborah (Z10 Coastal CA)
    2 days ago

    Oh -- I should add -- my good friend that had to move to Portland gifted me with her Eustacia Vye, Jude the Obscure, and the Generous Gardner. So now I have several roses in pots and no idea where to put them! I had already put some one-gallon Heirloom roses in larger pots until fall planting -- so now I have the above named DAs, plus a Golden Celebration, an April Love (which I love love love), St. Elisabeth of Hungary, Raspberry Cream Twirl (but I know where that one is going)... plus on their way -- an Eden and an own-root Augusta Luise from Freedom. I don't know what to do. Especially as I contemplate not having the deer buffet...I really do need a new house with a garden fully enclosed from the critters!

  • Melodye Sartori
    2 days ago




    Todays plonk ( thanks for the word usage Diane) the overweight lady in the centre is Sonia Rykiel. Around her are Bordeaux, Purple Cloud and Olivia Austin. The colours seem to be fairly accurate, except purple cloud has a bit more magenta tones in person. Melodye

  • Diane Brakefield
    2 days ago

    Love the plonk, Melodye. Sonia looks huge--what is her size across? At first I thought Purple Cloud was Rouge Royale. PC looks red in the photo. Is it really purple? I've never heard of this one, but it may be an Australian name for a more familiar rose. But which one is Bordeauz? I think I'm mixed up. Whatever they are, the bouquet is beautiful. Do you have a pic of Orangerie, which sounds very interesting?


    I was so sorry to read about all your health problems. I don't know if I could have gone on after so much. You are to be admired for you great attitude and enthusiasm for life in spite of it all.


    Deborah, it great to see your post, but you must have had a humdinger of a case of food poisoning. Here, we've been told not to use the ER because all the hospitals are under crisis standards of care, and the overflow of patients would probably have taken up a lot of the ER. What a time to have to go to the ER, though. Idaho is such a mess. Still, I went out to lunch with a life long time gardening friend today ,and hit a dollar store, too. Lots of people are out shopping and clogging the roads. I'm sure you're going to miss your friend, but how nice to get those great free roses. I really want to know how your Eustacia does, and to see lots of pics of what she looks like. Jude is a great one, but he's kind of picky, I think, so you're lucky to get a free Jude. So you think the Deer Out worked pretty well? I hope so. I didn't realize you were so close to a street. Your photos make it look like you garden in a secluded undeveloped area. I have never heard of a Gobbelino novel. Will check it out. I'm deep into MM Kaye and her Far Pavillions, plus taking a break with her lighter mysteries and autobiography. I'm also reading a rather dry book called, Two Gardeners, which is a non fiction, back and forth between two well known women gardeners during the mid 20th century. One gardener is Katharine White, and editor of New Yorker magazine and wife of the author EB White, and the other is a Southern author and gardener that wrote many gardening books. The letters are about two thirds health complaints to one third gardening. I am a flat earther and don't do Kindle, but thanks for the offer. Diane

  • Melodye Sartori
    2 days ago

    Diane, Sonia isnearly 5” acrossI ve had to exchange the wine(plonk) glass for a small vase. as I found something else to plonk


    top photo is Purple cloud, bottom is Bordeaux the shrieking yellow is my first freesias for the year. purple cloud has a more magenta cast to the petals than I can show.

    Deborah thanks for the good wishes. Nearly sent

    Hubby to ER on Sunday night, but his tummy finally settled about 1am. So 8am Monday we all fronted up for Covid tests and were cleared by 8pm. Whenyou ring the hotline with any symptoms even though they arent strictly Covid related you are still asked to go and take the test.

    Sorry you had to spend time on the gurney. I understand why you scampered. I remember having the same desire I just kept repeating the Serenity prayer. Its got me through a lot over the past 18 months

    Melodye

  • rosecanadian
    2 days ago

    Melodye - So true!!! And you said it well....a blessing in a crappy disguise. :) As to my daughter...yes she hasn't mentioned a PPE shortage. So, I'm hoping that's okay. :) As an ex-nurse, you'll feel strongly for this. Nurses are walking out because there are too many patients, they're afraid that this will cause accidental deaths from their inability to keep a handle on things (my words and I didn't say that well). So the hospital is getting a lot of new grad nurses...and they don't have the guidance of having senior nurses around to help them. I hope you can get a 3rd shot. :)

    I looked up Winx...no pictures on hmf. Okay, I found it...lovely soft yellow :) :)

    Oooh...I love your Bourdeaux!! Those petals!!

    Great news that you and your hubby are COVID negative. Phew!


    Deborah - What a great rose to find in a hardware store. LOL I wish I could have such a lucky find. :):) You are so right!!! Being close to the road has been VERY good for you! To have your house saved...what a miracle!! And the deer don't like the front yard... nyyah, nyyah deer. LOL

    Such a good idea to scamper out of the hospital!! And soooo good you didn't have anything too serious. Now is the time to pamper yourself. :) :) :)

    You lucky duck!!! Eustacia Vye!!!!





  • Melodye Sartori
    2 days ago
    last modified: 2 days ago

    Rosecanadian, I sympathise with the nurses, they must be overwhelmed by patient numbers and speed of the spread of this horror, But , , I hope some will show some gumption put their heads down and provide some backup for the new grads. bear in mind Im writing from 40 + years of experience and hospital training not college, very old fashioned! I pray all turns out ok for all concerned. Patients always come first. Just get on with it my old Matron used to say she was WW1 exarmy nurse.

    As for Bordeaux, up until today, I was planning to give her the old heave-ho. despite the fact that she is a good grower and good bloomer. Today she had perfume, not strong but pleasantly fruity. So I think Ill move her to replace my miserable RR. I also have 1 own root plant from when the dog broke off a branch 2 years ago. I always take cuttings from such accdents and if they grow I gift them nameless (because of PBR ) to granddaughters school fete. I did this with a piece of Blue Emotion but forgot to label it . it was in with some PlumPerfect cuttings and I was amazed at how fast it grew compared with the others. It grew 3’ in a matter of weeks, but when it flowered I recogmised it. I still have it its a very big bush now compared to its g`rafted parent. I love its perfume and colour.. Melodye

  • rosecanadian
    yesterday

    Melodye - my mother-in-law was a nurse (she's 88)...she wishes she were younger so she could get in the trenches. I looked up Blue Emotion and hmf says it's the same as Le Petit Prince...which I have new this year. Does your Blue Emotion bloom often or take long breaks?

  • Melodye Sartori
    yesterday

    Carol the own root always has buds and has stayed green all winter and several flowers lots of new growth which the gardener lopped off last week because it was overgrowlng a path. The grafted one went dormant and flowers in flushes not long apart during the growing season. Good on your MIL she’d have them straightened out in no time Melodye

  • BenT (8a Dallas, TX)
    yesterday
    last modified: yesterday

    I’m late to this thread but wanted to add that I really grow Rouge Royale! Planted this spring bareroot from Palatine, she’s taken the summer to establish, and for once we have mild weather and she hasn’t burned.







    Edited to add:

    I decided this time to avoid ’Roasted Rouge Royale Redux‘ and cut them for the house:







    She is exceptionally beautiful, and probably has the best raspberry scent. Other roses famous for raspberry…for example Firefighter and Heirloom… might have equally strong scents, but RR’s smells the most of real fruity raspberry

  • Deborah (Z10 Coastal CA)
    yesterday

    Super quick post here -- Ben -- those roses are just LOVELY -- but, then, so are all of your roses. You and Diane really have the magic touch.


    Diane -- we do live in a semi rural area -- the front of our house is on a street (a loop, really), but the back faces a canyon that goes right up into the Los Padres National Forest. Endless supply of critters from that direction. It's kind of nice, actually, that we get "real" neighbors but at the same time can escape civilization by going out back. Except for the not having fences part -- so then on the sides I have people right next to me up the slope on one side -- the others are down hill and not so close - plenty of distance, but between fires, codes, and deer, we just don't have any privacy screens!


    Carol -- today is my first day back at work, fully. I feel much better but not alright. I had bought Eustacia Vye and Gabriel Oak last year, as did my friend, so now I have TWO Eustacia Vye roses! But both my DAs from Texas were so small -- and I'm not talking the flowers, though they've been very small, too -- I'm talking the roots -- definitely not up to DA standards. I'm assuming that between covid and the flooding they had a tough time. My one gallon own-roots from Heirloom are sturdier than my DA bare roots were this year. ANYWAY -- my hope is that they'll grow into something more exciting. So far, what I've seen from both roses have me very hopeful.


    Before my trip to the urgent care and then ER, I had dug up Dark Desire. He's now in a pot. If he doesn't shape up, he gets shipped out. Madame Anisette will be close behind...but she looks like she might plan on doing something soon, so she gets a reprieve.


    Have a good day, all. Wish me luck.

  • noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque)
    yesterday
    last modified: yesterday

    BenT, your Rouge Royale is beautiful! I’m trying it this year, got one from Rogue Valley Roses after being on the waiting list for many months. It has bloomed a bright warm red and almost no fragrance. I was hoping for a purple-red or a dark cool red, and maybe a raspberry fragrance like Alnwick Castle. Flowers are pretty but without the form yours have. Maybe it will get better as it gets bigger.


  • BenT (8a Dallas, TX)
    yesterday

    Noseo,

    I think your RR is progressing nicely from that pic, hopefully the fragrance will pick up as well…those RVR bands probably just take some time to get big. I’d say mine is a cherry red, neither warm nor cool, and has never been a dark red.

  • Melodye Sartori
    15 hours ago

    BenT, those RR photos are making me drool . think I WILL pot mine and put it in a south east facing position away from our afternoon sun. Melbourne is getting hotter summers by the year. I think Bordeaux will take the heat in the RR old spot. It has been in full sun out in backbyard for 2 years and haven’t seen any crispy flowers yet even with only rainfall watering. Mind you rainfall has been above average here this year. I also find that Black Caviar,(Astrid, grafin von something) takes the heat and doesn’t fry The perfume is god too Melodye

  • rosecanadian
    14 hours ago

    Melodye - that's interesting that your own root rose bloomed nonstop and your grafted one bloomed in flushes. Do you think they had approximately the same amount of blooms total?


    Ben - you always grow such beautiful roses!! Your RR is no exception!!! Drool-iscious on your cut roses!!! So far Palatine hasn't offered it this year. I'll keep looking.


    Deborah - So how did your first day back at work go? I bet you're exhausted. Take it as easy as you can.

    You have TWO EV roses?!!! Oh you lucky, lucky duck!!! :) :) :) Hopefully they'll build up some roots and get to be really beautiful plants!! It won't surprise me at all if you end up booking DD to the curb. :)


    Nose - I agree with Ben...it's a LOVELY bloom!!! It's going to be extra beautiful next year! And hopefully the fragrance will come.


    Melodye - really? Black Caviar has a nice fragrance? I'm okay with buying a rose if it has at least moderate fragrance. Hmmmm....Black Caviar :) :)

  • rosecanadian
    14 hours ago

    Melodye - I looked up Black Caviar (which I can get from Palatine here) and I remember why I didn't put it on my list to buy. Hmf says that the flowers ball, the leaves get mildew and the rose is huge...so I thought...blech. What do you think of it?

  • Melodye Sartori
    11 hours ago
    last modified: 10 hours ago

    Carol, we are not overblessed with rain here in Melbourne. It has never balled and I dont get mildew, because I water with seaweed fertilizerI have always found that the worst for balling are high petal count whites and pale pinks, usually of old garden varieties. Melodye

  • Melodye Sartori
    10 hours ago

    Carol I forgot your other question. I think own root did better but the grafted one is in a rather more sheltered position .Its hard to compare under those circumstances until I can arrange more sun for the grafted bush Melodye