Comte de Chambord in Texas?

10 years ago

I'd really like to have a plant of Comte de Chambord, but it seems this plant enjoys cooler temperatures than what we see here in Texas. Our winters are extremely mild, and we are lucky if we get snow twice. Perhaps this is just not the location for this rose?

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strawchicago z5

10 years ago

Hi Josh: There's a difference between grafted Comte on Dr. Huey and own-root Comte. Own-roots have smaller roots, thus cannot handle heat and dryness for the 1st few years.

Last year my Comte as own-root refused to bloom in our summer drought and heat of 100 degrees. Before the winter I took him out from the pot, to plant in the ground ... his root was wimpy, looked whitish like alfalfa sprouts, or an annual flower.

Compare that to Dr. Huey that I dug up: It took me 1 hour, and the root was woody brown, extending 3 feet away ... the mass of Dr. Huey is many times heavier than "alfalfa-sprout" type of own-root.

For a hot and dry climate, grafted on Dr. Huey would be best. Own-root Golden Celebration as a band was really wimpy the first year, I had to water it twice a day. This 3rd year I dug it up, and the root is finally as big as Dr. Huey.

Since I have wet spring and fall, own-roots are healthier in my zone 5a. My own-root Comte de Chambord is very healthy in its 2nd year, zero black spots. Its scent is very much like the perfume Tabu.

Another of my favorite scent, which no perfume can match, is Yves Piaget. My zone is too cold for Yves Piaget. I have Yves Piaget's children grown from seeds, I put them outside under the air vent from the dryer. They really like the humid warm air.

Yves Piaget mildews in CA, and didn't do well for Ingrid's hot & dry climate. The Romanticas tolerate my alkaline soil and water much better than Austins and Comte de Chambord. They can handle 100 degrees heat, if it's wet and fertile clay.

Robert in England, who has a great collection of Austin roses, traveled to France just to get Yves Piaget, that's how good the scent is. See below link for Yves Piaget in the English Roses forum:

Here is a link that might be useful: Picture of Yves Piaget

This post was edited by Strawberryhill on Mon, Jul 8, 13 at 15:12

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ms. violet grey
10 years ago
I bought it as a band last year from Heirloom.
It grew very slowly. I have had 1 bloom so far.
I will have to confirm on this forum if it is indeed Comte de Chambord; Because some have stated that Heirloom mistakenly sells Marchesa Boccella. Since the 1st bloom seemed very light pink to me I think I was duped also. I will post a picture when it blooms again.

It is the parent of Gertrude Jekyll right?
strawchicago z5
10 years ago
Mauve girl is right, Comte de Chambord is the parent of Gertrude Jekyll.

I have Comte de Chambord, 2nd year. It blooms when the weather is cool and rainy ... below 70's. It's a twice bloomer here: spring and fall. It doesn't bloom in our summer heat of 80 to 100 degrees, could be the alkaline tap water. Mine is in partial shade.

The Romanticas like the heat ... I have a few of Yves Piaget children grown from seeds. Their scents are just as good as Comte, and they bloom constantly, now near 90 degrees. I sniffed Betty White (Andre le Notre) at the rose park, just as wonderful as Comte de Chambord.

Comte de Chambord can't perfume the entire room, but Meilland Firefighter can. Firefighter is many times stronger than all the fragrant reds & pinks that I have: Pink Peace, Crimson Glory, Mirandy, and Stephen Big Purple.

I won't recommend Comte de Chambord for a hot climate, but there are plenty of good-smelling Romanticas and Meillands for the heat .. all bloom well with my tap water pH 8, and alkaline clay (pH 7.7). Today I count over 30 buds on Romantica Sweet Promise, 30+ on Liv Tyler, and 15+ on Firefighter (thanks to the deer who ate half the bush), Frederic Mistral has 10 buds (I moved it, don't recommend him as own-root, too fussy). All of them bloomed during last summer drought of 90 to 100 degrees heat.

This post was edited by Strawberryhill on Sun, Jul 7, 13 at 22:36
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buford
10 years ago
I have the Comte, and he does quite well in the hot humid Georgia area. He will ball in the spring, unless it's dry and seems to suffer from thrips the first flush. However, he cannot only scent an entire room, but an entire bed. I think the hot humid weather brings out the scent best. He will bloom in flushes, at least 4 or more in our season.

He is a light pink. I also have Barrone Prevost, a relative and they don't bloom as much as CdC.
malcolm_manners
10 years ago
It does very well in central Florida, flowering repeatedly year-round. The only downside here is that it is somewhat blackspotty, so we have to spray it.
Lynn-in-TX-Z8b- Austin Area/Hill Country
10 years ago
Josh,
Comte de Chambord is on the OGR list for Las Vegas. If heat and dryness is your concern, you should be fine as we average 70+ days of 100 degree plus temps... July and August hitting the high 110+ regularly, with some days having temps over 120, with 4.5" of rain annually. Today we got a little break with 102 degrees and it will be 100 on Friday ( Yea!, well so we think... weather people). Will you be adding or do you have automatic irrigation with drip lines and emitters? If you purchase this beauty, planting it in a place that receives shade during the hottest part of the day if possible could be beneficial.

Lynn

This post was edited by desertgarden561 on Sun, Jul 7, 13 at 21:21
portlandmysteryrose
10 years ago
Josh
I think Comte is definitely worth the garden space. In general, the Portlands (NOT named after Portland, Oregon) do seem to enjoy climates along the lines of Portland, Oregon. However, I think Comte will be okay for someone like you in DFW, someone who is an attentive gardener. I'd try him and see what you think. I adore him. I once grew his descendant Gertrude but gave her away. I find that Comte is an all-around better rose.

By the by, in your climate tea roses are gorgeous! And tea-noisettes. Oooo! Ahhhh! I am jealous...in a friendly gardener-envy kind of way, of course.

Mauvegirl
I also received an imposter from Heirloom which resembles Jacques/Marchesa. The flower, in addition to being very light pink, is informal and more like a pompon. The good news is that J/M is a great rose. He does well in PDX and DFW. RVR sent a Comte de Chambord/Madame Boll which seems to be the real thing.

Carol

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