Popular roses you don't care for
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Comments (19)Wow, it must be hard to make rose decisions in a place where it's hard for a rose to die, Suzy. Sometimes i'm secretly glad when a rose that really doesn't thrive in my yard has the good grace to die over the winter, so I don't have to be a rose murderer. As for the rate of failure, it's definitely a product of being a zone pusher and wanting to try something different. Plenty of people in my zone have never lost a rose because they're smart enough to only plant roses suited for their climate- imagine that! I'm more like Ingrid, in sandandsun's timely quote, that I prefer to look at winter survival as a challenge rather than the roses of a particular type (or breeder) having a specific death wish in my garden. You're all absolutely right that knowing the breeder isn't enough to judge health, survival, or any other qualities in your yard. I absolutely do the kind of trial and error experimentation that Lyn was talking about in my own yard, it's just that I haven't really come up with particular patterns for what thrives in my yard, except for the obvious ones like "lavenders and russets are usually weak" (understatement of the year) or "roses with teas in their heritage are a long shot". Rick, I admire you for checking the breeding history of the roses, and it certainly would be a more logical approach with fewer failures. I'm afraid I don't follow the breeding history or even keep track of which parents do well for me, though I have noticed that climbers with New Dawn as a parent are likely to be a good match for my yard. Wow, Nastarana, I hadn't been familiar with Jacobus as a breeder but I looked up Dream Girl, and - wowza zowie is she ever! I love those fat blooms with swirled packed petals, and it's great to hear it thrives in zone 5. Might be a nice counterpart to Nahema on my fence. You ought to share your observations with Helpmefind, since there was very limited personal information on this rose. Where did you get yours? Cynthia...See MoreWhat do you have that you don't water? (not roses)
Comments (17)Redsox, in case right now you want to read about different kinds of plants and plan out your beds so they will look like what you want them to, you might be interested in some perennial design books. One I like is "The Perennial Gardener's Design Primer" by Cohen and Ondra. I read it in the library and then bought a used copy online through Amazon. the information is realistic, I think. Also, a book I love is "The Well Tended Perennial Garden" - she tells you how to maintain and prune those perennials you wind up buying. The Southern Living Garden Book gives a run down on almost every plant that will grow in the south. I bought this one used too and refer to it often. You've gotten some great advice on plants, but if you're like me, you only have so much money to spend and will want to invest it in what will give you pleasure. I always like to know what I'm getting before I buy it. Good luck, and your babies will grow up too soon and then you'll be able to garden a lot more. In the meantime, I applaud your gardening at all; mine were a mess when my kids were little. Also, if there's any kind of garden club in your area, there will be a lot of old ladies like me who will love to help you get started and give you some plants from their yard....See MoreAny rose that you don't fertilize
Comments (25)There are lots of roses that by their nature will not need fertilizing. Species roses, and most once-bloomers, for instance. I tend to fertilize mine according to their bloom cycle. When I gardened in California this worked great - fertilize everything right after each bloom cycle. Worked out to roughly every 6 weeks for repeat blooming roses. Here in Washington I only get 2 or 3 bloom cycles and I find I have to anticipate each one with the fertilizer to get best results. works out to once in spring and once in summer for most of the modern repeat blooming roses. Large, well-established, shrubby roses don't need much fertilizer, even in gravelly soil that doesn't retain nutrients. Buff Beauty, for instance, gets fertilized once in spring, as she only blooms twice anyway, no matter how often I fertilize her. But, I'm using organics, which last a lot longer than synthetics. And all my roses get a top dressing of some kind of manure in late winter or early spring. I wouldn't fertilize rugosas or species roses. Most large climbers and ramblers seem to only need annual fertilizing like any other shrub. The modern hybrids get regular fertilizing as my soil does not retain nutrients, and they need the help if I want them to keep growing and producing over the year. As people have noticed in above posts, plants that aren't pushed with more water and nutrients than they really need are better able to handle adverse conditions and so long as they aren't positively struggling, they are less susceptible to diseases and insects and to drought stress. It's a myth that roses require lots of water and fertilizer. If you're going for Queen of the Show, yes, you will have to force excessive growth with excessive amounts of water and fertilizer. If you just want your rose to grow and produce nicely, then average water and fertilizer is plenty for most roses. What 'average' consists of will vary with your soil and climate. And constantly topdressing with organic material like pulled weeds or fallen leaves will reduce the need for adding fertilizers....See MoreFine roses that you don't hear much about
Comments (32)I could have been more diplomatic in my comments. It was early after a hot night and I was grumpy. Anyway PF pretty much blooms continuously. RU is somewhat new, supposed to be a climber but mine is just floribunda sized. It had a very heavy first flush and now it is regrouping. I have a problem in that arbor with all the roses. Most don't grow vigorously, but then I think about Dr. W. van Fleet which shrugs off what ever is bothering the others.It does better than New Dawn. Ilse Krohn S. is the best of the rest so far manages to be head high. Manita across the way is the most vigorous of the K' climbers as is Antique '89. My original post on this subject was a quote from Charles Quest-Ritson's book about climbers and ramblers. "The trouble is that foreign names are often a barrier to popularity and commercial success. Many of the best German roses are ignored because of their names. Grossherzogin Eleonore von Hessen and Herzogin Viktoria-Adelheid von Coburg-Gotha may be difficult to remember and impossible for non-Germans to pronounce but their can be no excuse for ignoring such exceptional roses as Regierungsrat Rottenberger, Frau Eva Schubert, or Rosarium Uetersen." Wow! Talk about pronouncing, typing them ia also difficult....See Moreermingarde
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7 years agoI love 'Stanwell Perpetual,' so I feel compelled to defend it just a bit. What Winterrobin says about it is true! However, a suggestion that I read years ago in relation to this particular rose was to buy three and plant them in a tight clump (just inches apart, almost as if they were one plant). That's exactly what I did, and it really helped with the growth habit. That said, 'Stanwell Perpetual' is just different in growth style from any other rose I have grown . . . but it's fine as long as you recognize that and treat it differently. For example, I didn't try to grow mine alongside other roses, or really even treat it like a rose. I put it right into the perennials bed, where it coexisted peacefully with herbaceous perennials that intermingled in a very beautiful way with SP's low-growing, sparse branches. Never deadheaded it, and rarely pruned it, except to occasionally trim out a dead branch. And I loved that rose (group of roses)! I guess this is a eulogy, since my SP(s) very suddenly passed away this spring, after many, many years of enjoyment. I don't know what happened . . . maybe something to do with climate change.
Souvenir de la Malmaison, on the other hand, is one of the few roses that i have ever shovel-pruned! :) For the people who suggest 'Clothilde Soupert' as a substitute . . . our local botanical garden, where I worked for the past seven years, has a CS, and although it is indeed beautiful when it manages to bloom properly, the flowers are more likely to ball than to bloom. In fact, I used it as a prime example of balling once when I taught an antique-roses class at the garden. :D (See photo.)
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7 years agoFunny I love Betty Boop and I don't go in for those colors but the yellow disappears on mine and it is a large healthy bush that thrives even in drought and never fails to make me smile. I do have it in a corner away from anything else that blooms. Clothilde Soupert can be soooo wonderful. I love mine.
Roses · More InfoWhat I don't like anything blendy. I love the apricot pink effect of the old teas but hate roses like Sheila's Perfume, Colorific, the orange red thing like Happy Chappy (I want to puke at the name too), Boogie-woogie, and Pinata. Double Delight, yuck. Muddy colors of any kind. Pinks that don't pop or aren't subtle enough, muudy pink. Oranges except in someone else's yard. I secretly love Tropicana because it is so good at what it does but mine ws killed by gophers and I won't replace it.
I have an area I'm doing in 'purple roses' just because everyone ooohs and ahhhs over them and many smell great. I personally do not like them very much. Spotting them around with purple and white rhododendrons which I do like.
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5 years agolast modified: 5 years agoOnce I mentioned that I was disappointed with a popular rose and was told my comment was neither "accurate or fair", since it was in its first year. I won't mention the name of the rose again, because it is beautiful in other climates. However, the blooms only last a few hours in my dry heat, even in spring. This is it's second year and I will shovel prune it soon.
A rose that I love that was mentioned a lot on this thread is Iceberg, because it is the only rose that blooms under the shade of a sycamore tree and survives hot afternoon sun in the late afternoon. I also tried several non-roses in this location that didn't do well at all. There are no sludge black stamens here. Climate makes a huge difference.
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